Jazzfanz BIG BOARD rankings ROUND 6

[UGLI baby]

Jazzfanz Big Board

1.

Evan Turner


2.

John Wall


3.

Derrick Favors


4.

DeMarcus Cousins


5.

Wesley Johnson

 

[honz]

I refuse to vote again until Gordon Hayward is included. Luke Baby, Pee Pee, and two first names guy ahead of Hayward? Are you out of your ****ing mind? This has gone on too long.

 

[UGLI baby]

In your face honz.

Until you admit you love Johnson, Hayward will not sniff this poll.

 

[UGLI baby]

I'm flip flopping on Aldrich, Udoh, and Monroe.

Someone convince me.

 

[sirkickyass]

Hayward scares me. My experience has been that guys who have their draft stock shoot up suddenly long after all the games have been played are a bad idea.

Hayward looks like he's got a lot of Luke Jackson in him to me the more I look at his resume.

Oh, and I voted for Monroe.

 

[calijazz]

I'm flip flopping on Aldrich, Udoh, and Monroe.

Someone convince me.

Somewhat tough choice for me between Udoh and Aldrich (Monroe is third for me automatically because I think he is limited defensively). No doubt Udoh's skills are intriguing, but I give Aldrich the edge because I think he's physically tougher and an overall better fit for the Jazz. Better in pick and roll, can score in the post, efficient, and there's very little chance he'll be an absolute bust in my opinion. And him being white doesn't scare me away like it does to so many others for some reason. His skin color has nothing to do with his ability to play basketball. Anyways, at the least, he would be a defensive interior presence that the Jazz need desperately. He can contribute immediately, where as I do not think Monroe or Udoh can as much. I'll admit he's not a sexy pick and won't excite very many people because he doesn't have potential to be a perennial all-star, but I just think he fits very well on the Jazz. I know I'll be in the minority on this one...I'll be picking Aldrich for a few rounds while people pick Monroe or Udoh...

 

[mellow]

I picked Monroe, he may not block many shots but neither does anyone else on the Jazz. He can pass which means there is a slim slim chance that Sloan might just play him in his rookie season.

I sometimes wonder if players that get hyped just before the draft (Hayward/ Babbit) are being hyped by teams deeper in the draft hoping that some team ahead of them will get excited about that player and let another player slide.

 

[honz]

Hayward is getting hyped because he is one of the best players in the draft only no one saw him until the tournament.

 

[calijazz]

Hayward is getting hyped because he is one of the best players in the draft only no one saw him until the tournament.

Just curious honz, how many games did you see of Hayward's before the tournament? It's a serious question...because I tend to fall in line with kicky's thinking. I don't think his defense translates at all to the next level and his outside jump shot is mostly non-existent from what I saw. His shooting will probably be better than what I saw, but all I see is that the Jazz would basically be drafting a less efficient Kyle Korver. Please let me know what you're seeing that makes you so convinced that he is the answer?

 

[Darkwing Duck]

Somewhat tough choice for me between Udoh and Aldrich (Monroe is third for me automatically because I think he is limited defensively). No doubt Udoh's skills are intriguing, but I give Aldrich the edge because I think he's physically tougher and an overall better fit for the Jazz. Better in pick and roll, can score in the post, efficient, and there's very little chance he'll be an absolute bust in my opinion. And him being white doesn't scare me away like it does to so many others for some reason. His skin color has nothing to do with his ability to play basketball. Anyways, at the least, he would be a defensive interior presence that the Jazz need desperately. He can contribute immediately, where as I do not think Monroe or Udoh can as much. I'll admit he's not a sexy pick and won't excite very many people because he doesn't have potential to be a perennial all-star, but I just think he fits very well on the Jazz. I know I'll be in the minority on this one...I'll be picking Aldrich for a few rounds while people pick Monroe or Udoh...

Actually, I think Udoh can learn the pick and roll and be very good at it. He does pride himself on passing the ball, so the quick help from the other big can be negated with a quick pass from Udoh. I think he'd be good in the high post/1-4 set, too. While limited on offense, I think his few strengths on offense really fit the Jazz offense.

 

[honz]

I didn't watch any college ball this year until the tournament. I like Hayward because he has sweet handles for a 6'8" guy, can create or get his own shot off the dribble, has a sweet shooting stroke despite having mediocre percentages this year, he is a great passer for a SF, is an underrated athlete with live legs, and possesses great toughness. He will make up for his athletic limitations on the defensive end with smarts and great effort...think Horny on D. He needs to get stronger, but he is a Jazz man if I have ever seen one. He would contribute off the bench from day one and Sloan would love him. Smart, versatile, tough, and talented. Comparing him to Kyle Korver is a travesty. He can do a lot more with a basketball than Korver can.

 

[prodigy]

Monroe, obviously

 

[Stifle Tower]

That Monroe refuses to work out against other bigs is a HUGE red flag, IMO. He or his agent are obvioously worried he'll be outplayed and drop several spots.
Aldrich would probably be the safest pick. I think you know exactly what he's going to give you. Not much of a ceiling for him - he screams 8th/9th man and 10-15 mins/per. Solid backup, or possiibly a starter on a team that doesn't have any better options at the 5.

For that reason, I'm going with Udoh. He and Whiteside have the most upside. But Whiteside is a lot riskier and will take a lot longer to develop.

 

[Ferguson_Mellochill]

I'm still on the Whiteside bandwagon, until something kicks me off.

 

[urujazz]

With Turner, Wall, Favors, Cousin and Johnson out of the table, my choice is to go for the player with the biggest upside left out there: Hassan Whiteside

 

[seattlejazzfan]

I refuse to vote again until Gordon Hayward is included. Luke Baby, Pee Pee, and two first names guy ahead of Hayward? Are you out of your ****ing mind? This has gone on too long.

Just curious...what makes Hayward better than Babbitt? Babbitt is bigger and a better athlete - that can't be disputed. Does Hayward do anything on better on the basketball court?

 

[honz]

Just curious...what makes Hayward better than Babbitt? Babbitt is bigger and a better athlete - that can't be disputed. Does Hayward do anything on better on the basketball court?

I haven't seen Babbitt play besides just seeing highlights, but I would guess in an educated manner that Hayward plays harder, is a better rebounder, a better passer, and possesses more toughness.

 

[seattlejazzfan]

I haven't seen Babbitt play besides just seeing highlights, but I would guess in an educated manner that Hayward plays harder, is a better rebounder, a better passer, and possesses more toughness.

If he plays harder, it didn't translate, since Babbitt averaged more points and rebounds and their blocks and steals were equal. Babbitt was a better rebounder in college and since he's bigger and a better athlete, it stands to reason that shouldn't change in the NBA. Also, Babbitt averaged more assists and had a better assist/to ratio. Playing hard and having toughness (thanks, Harpring!) can't be measured, but looking at the numbers, I don't see those things leading to production, if that is the case.

 

[calijazz]

Actually, I think Udoh can learn the pick and roll and be very good at it. He does pride himself on passing the ball, so the quick help from the other big can be negated with a quick pass from Udoh. I think he'd be good in the high post/1-4 set, too. While limited on offense, I think his few strengths on offense really fit the Jazz offense.

I love Udoh's skills, particularly passing like you said. He just doesn't seem to have a physical mentality that the Jazz typically look for, especially in a big. I think that's why rebounding is considered to be one of his weaknesses. He's just seems like more of a finesse player to me. Which isn't necessarily bad, it's just not the Jazz's style. I just don't see that meshing as well with the Jazz as a physical player like Aldrich would.

 

[calijazz]

I didn't watch any college ball this year until the tournament. I like Hayward because he has sweet handles for a 6'8" guy, can create or get his own shot off the dribble, has a sweet shooting stroke despite having mediocre percentages this year, he is a great passer for a SF, is an underrated athlete with live legs, and possesses great toughness. He will make up for his athletic limitations on the defensive end with smarts and great effort...think Horny on D. He needs to get stronger, but he is a Jazz man if I have ever seen one. He would contribute off the bench from day one and Sloan would love him. Smart, versatile, tough, and talented. Comparing him to Kyle Korver is a travesty. He can do a lot more with a basketball than Korver can.

I don't know if I can see him being a play maker off the dribble on the NBA level. Not enough quickness if you ask me. Just seems like a Kyle Korver/Mike Dunleavy like player to me at the NBA level. But only time will tell...