October 20th - L.A. Clippers versus UTAH JAZZ (at 7:00 PM)
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just because
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We have a deep team. I agree with your sg sf assesment. I would like to see burks, hayward and williams get the minutes. I wouldn't mind seeing Sap get 3 or 4 min from time to time. Favors will come around, I'm not worried.
I think the pg play was being held back some by the coach. I think Corbin was trying to run a few sets to see how things worked out. I think they will get back to the regular up tempo that locke has been talking about soon.
underKANTER
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Don't like the Clippers Commentators at all.
Mo Will is a good shooter but is a little bit sloppy with the ball in his hands. Seems to play a little bit out of control, turns the ball over quite often. The Jazz need more of a pure point guard but they are not that easy to find. I soon expect Burks to take over his role especially if he continues to hit his shots as well as he has has lately.
It's good to see Hayward attack the basket and play aggressive. I'm ok with him but I hope him to become more of a consistent shooter and free throw shooter.
Ma Will was the missing piece of the Jazz. Great shooter. Should use his athleticizm more and play more aggressive and attack the basket at a better rate. Should be the Jazz third scoring option.
Carroll played great on both ends of the floor.
Favors is a beast. Especially on the defensive end. If he had improved a little bit more on the offensive end, he would be the starter alongside Jefferson. Doesn't seem to have great hands. Still has a chance to take over Millsap's role.
Was nice to see Kanter pass the ball (even a little bit too much). The Clippers played great defense on him. Nice to see him having confidence in his shot. Tried to get every rebound.
Foye... just sucks... A chucker... Doesn't really help this team... Will get more minutes than Tinsley or Watson, but should not see the floor very often.
My starting lineup:
Burks (12) - Mo Will (18) - Foye (12) - Tinsley (6)
Hayward (28) - Burks (14) - Mo Will (6)
Ma Will (28) - Carroll (13) - Millsap (7)
Jefferson (22) - Millsap (21) - Evans (5)
Favors (21) - Kanter (21) - Jefferson (6)
Minutes per game:
High twenties:
Ma Will (28)
Jefferson (28)
Millsap (28)
Hayward (28)
Burks (26)
Low twenties:
Mo Will (24)
Favors (21)
Kanter (21)
Last minutes:
Carroll (13)
Foye (12)
Tinsley (6)
Evans (5)
Mo Will is a good shooter but is a little bit sloppy with the ball in his hands. Seems to play a little bit out of control, turns the ball over quite often. The Jazz need more of a pure point guard but they are not that easy to find. I soon expect Burks to take over his role especially if he continues to hit his shots as well as he has has lately.
It's good to see Hayward attack the basket and play aggressive. I'm ok with him but I hope him to become more of a consistent shooter and free throw shooter.
Ma Will was the missing piece of the Jazz. Great shooter. Should use his athleticizm more and play more aggressive and attack the basket at a better rate. Should be the Jazz third scoring option.
Carroll played great on both ends of the floor.
Favors is a beast. Especially on the defensive end. If he had improved a little bit more on the offensive end, he would be the starter alongside Jefferson. Doesn't seem to have great hands. Still has a chance to take over Millsap's role.
Was nice to see Kanter pass the ball (even a little bit too much). The Clippers played great defense on him. Nice to see him having confidence in his shot. Tried to get every rebound.
Foye... just sucks... A chucker... Doesn't really help this team... Will get more minutes than Tinsley or Watson, but should not see the floor very often.
My starting lineup:
Burks (12) - Mo Will (18) - Foye (12) - Tinsley (6)
Hayward (28) - Burks (14) - Mo Will (6)
Ma Will (28) - Carroll (13) - Millsap (7)
Jefferson (22) - Millsap (21) - Evans (5)
Favors (21) - Kanter (21) - Jefferson (6)
Minutes per game:
High twenties:
Ma Will (28)
Jefferson (28)
Millsap (28)
Hayward (28)
Burks (26)
Low twenties:
Mo Will (24)
Favors (21)
Kanter (21)
Last minutes:
Carroll (13)
Foye (12)
Tinsley (6)
Evans (5)
Brown Notes
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If Foye is going to play at the 1 he cannot be the guy initiating the offense. He's fine off the ball. Pretty much who I thought he was. If this guy is the backup point that is a very strong case for Hayward playing with that unit.
Marvin Williams is going to be absolutely crucial to any playoff push this team has. He is doing everything AK did only with much better, smoother shooting, and a professional attitude. Exceeding my expectations, which were pretty high to begin with. If that guy could drive he would be a superstar.
Mo is growing on me, he's clearly a better fit than Harris and obviously wants to be here. He'd be a perfect backup for, say, Curry.
Kanter looks like the guy that wants it more than anybody else on the team. He has that fire Deron had here. Enes is going to surpass Favors in minutes this year if some of that doesn't rub off on 15. You can't keep guys that fired up off the court for long and he's obviously dedicated to improving his game.
underKANTER
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Do we have a chance to get more of a pure point guard in a return for Millsap + ... ? I'm also not a big fan of the idea of Mo as our starting point guard, but he is definitely an upgrade over Harris. I really like Millsap, but if I had to choose three between the four big guys, Millsap would definitely be the odd man out.
GVC
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Randy Foye has been terrible. Mo and Jamal haven't done a great job at the point either (especially not lately). The Jazz really could use a point guard (especially if Jefferson is on his way out). Burks is far from perfect, but I'd rather run him at the 1 than Foye, Tinsley or Watson at this point (I don't think the Jazz are contending this season).
Marvin Williams and Demarre Carroll have been fantastic so far, Burks had another good game, and Hayward looked good tonight as well. The wing rotation should be much improved.
I'm a bit surprised that no one is questioning Jefferson's presence in the starting 5. He's been the worst of the Jazz's 4 main bigs this preseason, no?
Marvin Williams and Demarre Carroll have been fantastic so far, Burks had another good game, and Hayward looked good tonight as well. The wing rotation should be much improved.
I'm a bit surprised that no one is questioning Jefferson's presence in the starting 5. He's been the worst of the Jazz's 4 main bigs this preseason, no?
No he hasn't. He hasn't forced shots. He is shooting less and passing more, He is blocking shots on Defense. When they go to him he usally gets a good shot off.
To me Millsap has been the worst of the 4 bigs with Favors a close second. Sap is forcing almost everything IMO and just seems off his game. Favors has been piss poor on offense but he Defense is as good as usual.
I don't like Foye and hope he sees 0 minutes unless we're desperate.
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[td]FT%[/td]
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[td]Assists/g[/td]
[td]TO/g[/td]
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[td]Burks[/td]
[td]49% (18/37)[/td]
[td]71% (5/7)[/td]
[td]53% (10/19)[/td]
[td]8.5[/td]
[td]17[/td]
[td]1.3[/td]
[td]1[/td]
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[td]Foye[/td]
[td]27% (13/49)[/td]
[td]33% (7/21)[/td]
[td]70% (7/10)[/td]
[td]6.7[/td]
[td]12.5[/td]
[td]2[/td]
[td]1.5[/td]
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Burks is also a fantastic rebounder for his position.
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[td]49% (18/37)[/td]
[td]71% (5/7)[/td]
[td]53% (10/19)[/td]
[td]8.5[/td]
[td]17[/td]
[td]1.3[/td]
[td]1[/td]
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[td]Foye[/td]
[td]27% (13/49)[/td]
[td]33% (7/21)[/td]
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[td]6.7[/td]
[td]12.5[/td]
[td]2[/td]
[td]1.5[/td]
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Burks is also a fantastic rebounder for his position.
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Hotdog
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I have noticed it too. Jefferson doesnt seem so black hole ish lately. I have noticed him looking to pass more and our offense seems more balanced. And if we can get Al to play more like that then he will be ok on our team.
GVC
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He's leading the team in field goal attempts per game, but is 6th in points per game. His team D is still poor, and he hasn't shown an ability to make any pass that isn't back up top to the point guard. Millsap is at least running the floor well and hitting shots at a decent clip. What has Al done to help the team win this preseason? Seems to me a lot of people on this board have been ignoring him entirely. He hasn't been good.
I've been ambivalent about Carroll since he has forced things at times and is kind of a chucker on the second unit.
The only reason I'm not questioning Al is because Corbin would never do it, so to me it's pointless. I agree he's kind of sucked, and he was a ball hog at times tonight.
Interesting to see how peoples perceptions are different.
I've been thrilled with Kanter, Burks, Carroll, Marvin and Evans.
I've been pleased with Mo, Hayward and Favors (D).
Foye, Millsap and Jefferson have been... Ok.
I have watched every game so far. I saw 3 passes in this game alone that Al made to a cutter or player that wasn't the PG. One was a bad choice to a cutting Marvin on the base line. But the others were part of the flow of the offense that led to pretty good shots. And those are just the ones that I can think of from this game. Al is going to lead the team in FG's, that is the way the offense is run if we get into a half court set with under 15 on the clock. But Last year all was taking around 20-22 shots a game. So far this year around 10-12 in shorter minutes. So I do see a big difference from last year there.
His Defense hasn't be good. And it never well be. But again it is better than what we saw last year. He is showing better on Pick and Rolls and getting back to his man faster.
But thats not the point. Your question was has Al been the worst of the 4 bigs so far this preseason. And IMO the answer is no. Sap and Favors have been worse.
GVC
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How have they been worse? Al isn't hitting shots, he's poor defensively, and he looks lost playing off the ball or with the ball from the high post (he's running the floor a bit better, but he's still clearly the worst Jazz big in this regard). Millsap has been better offensively, in transition, and at least as good defensively. Favors has been a beast on defense. If we were judging players based on preseason alone, Kanter-Millsap would be the logical choice to start (obviously, this shouldn't be how players are evaluated).
Again, has Al been better in man D than Millsap? Team D? Transition? Team O? Individual O? Maybe you can give him a slight edge in man D and team O, but Millsap has been much better in the other areas.
With all that said, it's pretty clear Millsap and Al are taking it easy in the preseason. I only have Millsap ahead of Favors by default (Favors should be playing much better).
Hotdog
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I think we are better with Al taking less shots, which means less scoring for him. Its better balance for our team. Its looking like an offense that can work. The key is to not let Al become a black hole. Teams still have to respect his low post game. So as long as we can keep scoring like we have from outside so far, I dont see Al being a big problem anymore. This just might shape into a good thing. Maybe the problem all along was our lack of deep threat all along.
GVC
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If he doesn't have the ball, what's he doing to help the team win? Does he run the court well? Defend well? Set good screens? Facilitate effectively? What's the point of paying someone $15mm to stand around?
Hotdog
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I dont think Al has been as bad as your making him out to be. He was much worse last year. That might be because his teammates arent giving him a chance to ball stop as much. Who knows. I think our offense is definitely looking better at this point though. Marvin is a big reason for that right now.
Hotdog
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I normally agree with all of that but, we are kind of stuck with what we got right now and I dont see Al going anywhere at this point. Im just trying to see the positives in this, and one is Al's ability to suck defenders in and open up shots for Marvin Williams and company.
Al is a good shot blocker but not really good at any other defense, so thats why we should start Favors next to him to help him out down there.
Basketball is a team game. Its possible to find a good combination of players that compliment each other and create a good team. Thats kind of what our team is right now. Everyone has a weakness, but everyone has a strength too. We dont have any players who duplicate each other either. Put it all together and this might be a really good thing.
So what I am saying is maybe Al can be a positive for us this year.
This is the first game that I have seen Sap play at all good. Against the Lakers and the Clippers 1st game he was forcing shots completely out of the offense, wasn't playing a lick of Man Defense as Griffin was open all the time. Al's man Defense has been much better so far this preseason. Jefferson's shots haven't been falling but none of them have been forced and they are shots that he makes more than he misses normally. I Just feel Al has played a better team game on the offensive end.
Al has been better in man D yes, He as been better in the team O and has not tried to force his offense in the team O like Millsap has. I watched Matt Barns run right by Millsap tonight for an easy layup in transition defense. (not that Al was even in the picture, but Sap hasn't been well above Al in any of these areas. ( Well Team D maybe. But thats why Sap and Al can't play together IMO)
This part I completely agree with.