Marty McFly
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I agree - he shouldn't have said anything. He has other things to worry about that are far more important than where a place of worship is being built.
Obama supports Mosque
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candrew
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Score points with who?
Even if he drove down to NYC in a hard hat and oversaw the demolition of the mosque himself.....
The Birthers would still say he's not an American Citizen
The Tea Baggers will still say he's raising taxes on the middle class (when he hasn't)
The NRA will still say he's going to take your guns away (even when he's actually expanded the right to carry firearms)
The Deficit Hawks will still say he's carelessly spending (when they did the same thing under GWB and clearly would do the same if they were in charge today being this country is still on the brink of collapse)
I could go on...
KM32MVP
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Obama's comment was more geared to the right to build the mosque anywhere that a church, synagogue or hindu temple could be built. Not speaking on the wisdom of doing so, rather the right to do so.
Personally, if anyone should be reinforcing our rights its the President. Nothing wrong with him speaking on this topic. Does it score political points? Probably not. Isn't it a bigger issue that we're concerned with politicians scoring points as opposed to doing or saying whats right?
He has more important things to worry about than basic Constitutional freedoms? I respectfully disagree.
I think it will hamper, if not worsen, Islamic relations with Americans. Rightly or wrongly most Americans are going to view this as a slap in the face after having your *** kicked. Building this mosque will only fuel hatred for the Muslim faith. If the Islamic proponents of this project were smart they would publicly state that they understand how such a project could be construed as provacative and will relocate the project to a different area.
Hopper
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Obama's saying that Muslims have the right to build a mosque tells us absolutely NOTHING that we don't already know. The fact that he said it while addressing a muslim crowd may tell us something about "why" he said it.
Muslim's have the "right" to purchase the land where the WTC once stood, and put nothing there but a huge islamic flag and a big sign sayin: "Heh, we sho nuff whupped your sorry ***, Chumps!"
But why would a President, the leader of the U.S. people, refuse to comment on the "wisdom" of Muslims creating such a mocking and derisive "memorial?" That's what I find puzzling. Why stress empty tautologies (you have the right to do what you have the right to do) to a muslim crowd, implying approval, but then refuse to address the substance? Sumthin aint right here, if ya ax me.
Muslim's have the "right" to purchase the land where the WTC once stood, and put nothing there but a huge islamic flag and a big sign sayin: "Heh, we sho nuff whupped your sorry ***, Chumps!"
But why would a President, the leader of the U.S. people, refuse to comment on the "wisdom" of Muslims creating such a mocking and derisive "memorial?" That's what I find puzzling. Why stress empty tautologies (you have the right to do what you have the right to do) to a muslim crowd, implying approval, but then refuse to address the substance? Sumthin aint right here, if ya ax me.
You know, as a kid I always wondered how crap like the Japanese internment and the communist witch hunts could happen, and why people wouldn't listen to reason or people wouldn't stand up to obvious bigotry.
Unfortunately, I now see the process of idiotic thought at work by all the outrage of someone building a Muslim YMCA a couple blocks away from Ground Zero. Never has so much been made of so little. And personally, I'm no fan whatsoever of the Muslim religion in general. But to say this is some sort of major statement by those who attacked us is asinine.
Unfortunately, I now see the process of idiotic thought at work by all the outrage of someone building a Muslim YMCA a couple blocks away from Ground Zero. Never has so much been made of so little. And personally, I'm no fan whatsoever of the Muslim religion in general. But to say this is some sort of major statement by those who attacked us is asinine.
What may it tell us?
I don't find it puzzling at all. I doubt he thinks its a good idea. Saying it's a bad idea undercuts the message and gives legitimacy to the people trying to block it, besides it being none of his business whether it's a good idea. Should the President be giving opinions on all religious building? There's a Catholic Church buling an annex in O'Fallon right now. Do we need Obama's opinion on that?
What's not right is the highly-publicized demagogueing of the Palins and Gingriches claiming that the building of the mosque needs to be blocked. The President made clear their sentiments were anti-American. Why do you need there to be a better reason to speak out.
Craig K. Manscill
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Look, 9/11 was an attack planned out by all the Muslims in the world. They all got together in this little conference room and were like, "Hey guys... we gotta kill some Americans." And now they're planting a place of worship there?! Terrible. The only thing I want in that space is a place for American worship. You know, hard, unsoiled Christianity.
Plus, like Thriller, I would prefer it if Obama pandered to the votes of people who hate all Muslims than say the "right thing".
- Craig
Plus, like Thriller, I would prefer it if Obama pandered to the votes of people who hate all Muslims than say the "right thing".
- Craig
Hopper
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It's not "his business" to tell a muslim crowd it's legal, either. They know that. Why say anything at all, if it's "not his business?"
Craig K. Manscill
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I agree, he shouldn't ever comment on the popular political topics out there. Actually, I'd prefer if he didn't say anything that conflicted with my extremist conservative viewpoint.
-Craig
-Craig
So, in this thread, you are saying the President should not take a firm stance on supporting the law, while in the other thread, you criticize Schwartzenegger for that very thing?
The Thriller
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Who cares about the constitution?
Who cares about what's right?
You people make great points, but they're all ideological. Quit w/your philosophy class nonsense and go back to simple high school. If you want to maintain power you do what's popular, not what's right or in accordance with the law.
It's not necessarily scoring points, it's losing points that's going to happen by his stance on this. The vast majority could care less about "freedom of religion" and being "politically correct."
The media spins this as evil Muslim Nazi/Communist/antiChrist Obama is disrespecting those victims of 9/11. I don't think most Americans will care much about freedom of religion as much as the message that's been spewed that we're allowing a Mosque to be built near ground zero. History has proven time after time again that the people of this country don't give a rats *** about the constitution depending on which media source they're glued to. Red Scare anyone? I thought allowing blacks to not ride in the back of the bus was going to destroy this country?
I love how so many people are calling me a religious bigot despite me not even taking a side. I've only merely commented on how unpopular of a move this might be. If only you knew my true opinion. But that's okay, I'll allow you more "tolerant" posters to tell me how I should act while observing you acting completely different. thanks guys. You bring even more substance to the old saying of, "Do as I say, not as I do."
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The Thriller
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Good point.
I actually said the same thing to some people the other day when we started talking about this. The dude has other more important things to worry about, such as a stale economy and a 50+ disapproval rating. Nothing was to be gained by opening his trap on this issue.
The Thriller
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Is anything else needed? Why use your brain when media tells you how you should feel, think, or act? Shock tactics are used by both sides quite effectively in fact. Perhaps most Americans aren't as smart or disciplined as some of you. Most from what I've seen or interacted with, just need a cool jingle or a celebrity or religious leader to tell them something and they'll fall for it hook line and sinker.
C l u t c H 385
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Does this guy think he's funny?
It is funny. You look at the picture, imagine a guy from Provo that prb was your denmother's husband, and read what he types. Hilarious!