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Is Hayward a victim of reverse racism on this board?

kennykyle said:
How so? I guess if you just don't like a diff race but have no power over them you would be racist, but it would be pointless racism since nothing is being gained.
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Never thought of it that way, but I guess I never really viewed racism as having a pre-requisite of power gained. I always considered it just a general dislike of another race. What about poor minorities? Can they not be racists against wealthy majorities?

Or did I totally miss the point?
 
PKM said:
Never thought of it that way, but I guess I never really viewed racism as having a pre-requisite of power gained. I always considered it just a general dislike of another race. What about poor minorities? Can they not be racists against wealthy majorities?

Or did I totally miss the point?
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They can be racist but does anyone give a ****? The only time racism is really a problem is when one race is holding another down. I dont care if an african american doesnt like me, but if he doesnt like me and is my boss then there is a problem.
 
kennykyle said:
How so? I guess if you just don't like a diff race but have no power over them you would be racist, but it would be pointless racism since nothing is being gained.
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So you have to gain something for it to be true racism?

I disagree.
 
PKM said:
Never thought of it that way, but I guess I never really viewed racism as having a pre-requisite of power gained. I always considered it just a general dislike of another race. What about poor minorities? Can they not be racists against wealthy majorities?

Or did I totally miss the point?
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One Brow would like to speak with you.
 
kennykyle said:
They can be racist but does anyone give a ****? The only time racism is really a problem is when one race is holding another down. I dont care if an african american doesnt like me, but if he doesnt like me and is my boss then there is a problem.
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Ok so let me get this straight.... so if an african american does not like you because you are white but he doesn't have more money, higher job status, or power over you then who cares?

So basically if an african american who is broke and has no job decides to burn your house down just because he doesn't like the fact that you are white then you would consider that to be ok?
 
PKM said:
Why? Was what I said racist?
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Well you can not truly understand racism since you are not black or hispanic. Therefore any insights you have are less than true insights. But yes, you are white and therefore racism is in your blood.

That seems fairly One Browish.
 
The fact that anyone would even ask this question ticks me off. If you are on our team, then we don't care about your skin color, religion, or non-criminal off the court issues. When you play like crap you will be called out, and when you play well you will be praised. 'nuff said
 
Stoked said:
Well you can not truly understand racism since you are not black or hispanic. Therefore any insights you have are less than true insights. But yes, you are white and therefore racism is in your blood.

That seems fairly One Browish.
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I know we've had a discussion where I explained why that is not like my posiiton at all. I supposed I am expecting too much for you to remember that.
 
One Brow said:
I know we've had a discussion where I explained why that is not like my posiiton at all. I supposed I am expecting too much for you to remember that.
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i am just having a good time. i thought it would make you shake your head and smile.
 
fishonjazz said:
Ok so let me get this straight.... so if an african american does not like you because you are white but he doesn't have more money, higher job status, or power over you then who cares?

So basically if an african american who is broke and has no job decides to burn your house down just because he doesn't like the fact that you are white then you would consider that to be ok?
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You are missing the point, if he doesnt like me and acts on it whether it be through not promoting me, shooting me, burning my house down, etc ..... then there is a problem. If he is racist against me but doesn't do anything, just inwardly doesnt like me because of my race then no i dont care and neither should you. It doesnt matter if he has money or not, if he doesnt do anything to harm me then its no skin off my nuts.
 
JazzSpazz said:
I disagree. You can still have racism in an equal "power" situation.
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You can still have racist thought, opinions, cognitive short-cuts, etc. Everyone has them. That is not racism.

You can even have racially discriminative actions, that don't upset an equal power balance, if such a balance were to exist. This might be because such actions don't distrub the equilibrium or form a dynamic equilibrium. That is not racism.

Racism is when these thoughts, opinions, cognitive short-cuts, and discriminative actions combine to form a culture where people, either directly or indirectly, have their actions treated with different values, their personhood compressed and otherized, their opportunites curtailed, etc. There is no reverse racism. Racism requires teh existence of a group held as the normal, and by definition such a group is not marginalized.
 
is it reverse racialism to believe white people sometime don't or won't understand true racialism because as aforementioned, they are white?
or instead of racialism, is it the truth? or is it a bit of both, because some are able to understand it when placed in certain situations like Hayward in the NBA.
Though he is a bit of an exception because he is in the NBA but then again he is in Utah.

discuss.
 
fishonjazz said:
So basically if an african american who is broke and has no job decides to burn your house down just because he doesn't like the fact that you are white then you would consider that to be ok?
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The police will be much more likely to catch that guy, because they'll investigate more diligently than if you burned down his house. Once caught, he'll face more serious charges, be much more likely to go into the prison system, serve a longer sentence, and will find it harder to get a job after he gets out. Further, that guy has a pretty good idea this is true, even if he hasn't read the studies that back this up.

So, you're pretty safe on that count.
 
HeavenHarris said:
is it reverse racialism to believe white people sometime don't or won't understand true racialism because as aforementioned, they are white?
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I've never been in the military. Is it prejudice to say I'll never understand what it means to go through boot camp in the same way and to the same degree as a veteran?
 
So a poor redneck truck drive cannot be racist. Am I right?
 
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