Big News Out of BYU??

[calijazz]

Cali, what have you read about the year Fresno will be coming into the MWC?

They want to come into the league in the fall of 2011 they said last night at their press conference. But it might not happen until 2012, because the deadline to inform the WAC of leaving was in July, among other issues. I think there is a more severe buyout penalty if they come into the MWC in 2011, rather than 2012. So it's still TBD. I think if the MWC steps up and helps like they said they would, they'll be coming in 2011. Just my guess though, we'll see.

 

[calijazz]

My interpretation of Patterson's comments was the MWC possibly adding a 12th team (assuming BYU stays) in an effort to create a championship game and increase the chances becoming an AQ conference. Not necessarily BYU and TCU leaving to the Big 12. I think they are set with 10 for now.

It's also interesting to note in this, is that the conference voted unanimously to have Fresno and Nevada join the MWC. This includes BYU. Why would BYU vote to bring the members in that they wanted to play in the WAC? Seems like a hint to me, but we'll see, stranger things have happened to say the least.

 

[Bronco70]

In my mind, the only viable option anymore for BYU is staying in the MWC. The MWC REALLY forced their hand here. If the MWC was smart, they would make concessions for BYU though (new TV contract with ESPN). If they were to do that, I think BYU would give this thing up entirely. So I really don't think it's a good idea that the MWC is trying to play hardball with BYU. You don't want one of the biggest programs in the conference to be unhappy. That could lead to something ugly down the road (like this situation all over again).

Is it possible that BYU is playing the MWC, the way Texas played the Big 12?

 

[NAOS]

I've read about 10 posts in this thread and noticed a very obvious hole in y'alls thinking...


BYU hums on camel balls. Suck it, losers.

 

[calijazz]

Is it possible that BYU is playing the MWC, the way Texas played the Big 12?

Very possible. But unless they get a new TV contract out of it or somehow miraculously go to the Big 12, it all blew up in their face. They've lost a lot of their leverage in the last day or so.

 

[7StraightIsGreat]

I've read about 10 posts in this thread and noticed a very obvious hole in y'alls thinking...


BYU hums on camel balls. Suck it, losers.

Best post I have seen on Jazzfanz. Ever.

 

[UGLI baby]

Make way bitches!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GXMgmh7xe1o

 

[gregbroncs]

Aside from football, what really matters? That's right, men's basketball. While the WCC isn't anyone's first choice, it is not the bottom of the barrel by any stretch of the imagination (basketball wise, it's not much of a drop, if any, from the MWC). The WCC would be just tickled to have BYU.



See response to above quote. Just going independent in football is going to make enough difference to negate any drop off in the other sports. It's all about the money.

the WCC is not a downgrade from the MWC? Is that what you are saying? Because if so there is no help for you.

the WCC has Gonzaga and a bunch of nobodies whose entire schools fit inside most basketball stadiums for teams in the MWC. Actually in some cases you could fit 3 WCC schools entire student body in gym's for MWC schools. Going to play in the WCC is a huge drop off in every sport for BYU. Not to mention I believe BYU would have to out and out cancel a decent # of sports programs because the WCC does not even have them.

 

[gregbroncs]

Very possible. But unless they get a new TV contract out of it or somehow miraculously go to the Big 12, it all blew up in their face. They've lost a lot of their leverage in the last day or so.

Yep if BYU was trying to "Texas" the MWC conference they failed miserably. The MWC played BYU and won. Now what's left is a bunch of crappy choices.

1. leave anyway and tell the rest of their sports teams that they are crap and don't matter and they are stuck with the WCC. Probably losing Dave Rose as their coach in the meantime.

2. Tuck their tail between their legs and crawl back to the crappy league they were trying to leave, pretty much announcing that they got out maneuvered by the same moron that signed the deal with comcast.

 

[Bronco70]

the WCC is not a downgrade from the MWC? Is that what you are saying? Because if so there is no help for you.

I was talking specifically about men's basketball, and I said "not much of a drop, if any". Which is true. I don't know if you care to whip up a list of all the basketball powerhouses in the MWC, but... You may be better served taking a second to read carefully, rather than being such a condescending *** to everyone who doesn't happen to share your point of view.

 

[SaltyDawg]

I was talking specifically about men's basketball, and I said "not much of a drop, if any". Which is true. I don't know if you care to whip up a list of all the basketball powerhouses in the MWC, but... You may be better served taking a second to read carefully, rather than being such a condescending *** to everyone who doesn't happen to share your point of view.

The Mountain West sent twice as many teams as the WCC to the NCAA tournament last year, and they do that pretty much every year. It's ridiculous to say the WCC is anything but a huge dropoff in basketball from the MWC.

The MWC was actually 5th in terms of conferences sending the most teams.

Big East: 8
Big 12: 7
ACC: 6
Big 10: 5
Mountain West: 4


Way down that list is WCC: 2

https://collegebasketballnews.scout.com/2/954002.html

 

[Jeditiger]

I just can't believe Hair Thompson and the rest of the MWC got one over on BYU. Once they figured out that BYU was working behind their backs to screw them over, the MWC then beat them at their own game.

It's been a stunningly delightful 2 days.

 

[colton]

The Mountain West sent twice as many teams as the WCC to the NCAA tournament last year, and they do that pretty much every year. It's ridiculous to say the WCC is anything but a huge dropoff in basketball from the MWC.

The MWC was actually 5th in terms of conferences sending the most teams.

Big East: 8
Big 12: 7
ACC: 6
Big 10: 5
Mountain West: 4


Way down that list is WCC: 2

https://collegebasketballnews.scout.com/2/954002.html

While I agree with you that the WCC is a drop off, let me point out the obvious flaw in your reasoning: if BYU had been in the WCC, then the count would have been MWC 3, WCC 3.

 

[SaltyDawg]

While I agree with you that the WCC is a drop off, let me point out the obvious flaw in your reasoning: if BYU had been in the WCC, then the count would have been MWC 3, WCC 3.

I don't think so. I think if BYU had been in the WCC, then some other MWC team goes to the tourney and some WCC team misses it.

 

[gregbroncs]

I was talking specifically about men's basketball, and I said "not much of a drop, if any". Which is true. I don't know if you care to whip up a list of all the basketball powerhouses in the MWC, but... You may be better served taking a second to read carefully, rather than being such a condescending *** to everyone who doesn't happen to share your point of view.

A conference in the MWC that routinely gets 2-3 bids to the NCAA compared to a WCC that gets 1 maybe 2 in an extremely weak year in NCAA basketball or if Gonzaga does not win the tourney. That is a huge downgrade. And going from playing in 10,000 to 20,000 seat stadium to 2000 to 8000 seat stadiums is also a huge down grade. Basically they are going from playing in the Huntsman center to playing at SLCC.

So I read what you said and it's still a naive and stupid statement.

 

[gregbroncs]

I don't think so. I think if BYU had been in the WCC, then some other MWC team goes to the tourney and some WCC team misses it.

Correct. If BYU played in the WCC they replace one of the 2 that did. While the MWC may or may not have had 4 they would still have had 3 either way.

 

[CONAN]

Given who is making all the posts you'd think this thread was about Utah or something. Some things never change. :lmao:

 

[7StraightIsGreat]

Given who is making all the posts you'd think this thread was about Utah or something. Some things never change. :lmao:

It's so cute that you always seem to cry like a bitch any time Ute fans discuss your beloved BYU. I have no proble admitting that BYU interests me. Hell, I'll even talk Weber State football with you if you'd like. I also don't see anything wrong with being interested about a subject that will shift the landscape of college football in Utah, especially when you combine it with Utah's move to the Pac12.

If it bothers you that much, why even bother to come in and make snide comments about it?

 

[gregbroncs]

It's so cute that you always seem to cry like a bitch any time Ute fans discuss your beloved BYU. I have no proble admitting that BYU interests me. Hell, I'll even talk Weber State football with you if you'd like. I also don't see anything wrong with being interested about a subject that will shift the landscape of college football in Utah, especially when you combine it with Utah's move to the Pac12.

If it bothers you that much, why even bother to come in and make snide comments about it?

Because that's the way trollnan is. Nothing of worth to bring just snide comments in any subject that mentions them.

 

[Gyp Rosetti]

TCU will probably never get a whiff of the Big 12. The other Texas schools will never sign off on letting them in because they don't want to compete with them for 4 and 5 star recruits. It makes sense. If you're one of the Texas schools in the Big 12, why elevate TCU to your level, thus making it that much harder to land in-state talent?

When the Big 12 goes back to 12 teams BYU probably has as good a shot as anybody, and maybe they feel like going independent for 1 or 2 years while they wait for the invite is worth it. I guess we'll soon find out if they're willing to roll the dice because the WAC going down to 6 teams seriously hampers BYU's leverage here. The more I understand about the situation, the more it seems like BYU needed that WAC-tie in for late season scheduling.

My official guess is that BYU backs away from going independent, stays with the newly reinforced MWC and finds a way to get their own TV deal on the side. Seems like a win/win.

Good points about TCU.