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What's wrong with Paul Millsap?

m3at said:
One thing is clear, we are better with Favors on the floor in almost every aspect of the game.
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People don't understand size. The only difference between now and then is Jazz had players making plays. They don't remember how bad sap played the 15 games before dwill got traded. He got killed by pretty much every pf in the league when everyone was blaming Big al at the time. Teams are learning what they can do with him. They both suck on d and both have their issues in the paint on both ends. With big al gone you will still have a lot of problems with sap. Kanter and/or favors needs to start.
 
shadler said:
He got killed by pretty much every pf in the league when everyone was blaming Big al at the time.
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No one was blaming Al at the time (besides your adorably hyperbolic assessment). Well, besides me and very, very few others.
 
His shot has gotten worse. The last 2 years or so his offensive game has been based off of having a pretty sweet midrange game. He doesn't really have that this year, along with his FT's taking a drastic hit.

I can see the logic in blaming Al for the 1st part, but the FT's are 100% on him.
 
I don't have the stats to back it up, but Ty has made a pretty consistent effort to get Paul touches early in games. He gets plenty of high PnR's, high posts, and even a fair amount of straight post drops.

Paul's problem is the offense is so inept that if he doesn't get his own shot, he'll never get it back, and he's not great at creating his own shot.

There are 15 teams in the NBA where Paul could effortlessly score 15 - 17 a night just because the system would get him shots. He just doesn't play on one of those teams.
 
It is really odd, some thoughts:
1. Remember when Al and Paul had great chemistry last year and Al would get Paul some easy buckets and vice-versa, it still happens this year, but seems to be way less. It was near bromance between them.
2. Paul has injuries every year and plays through them. They always get reported after they are healed and he returns to being himself.
3. He is down in every category not just shot %, PPG etc, but also steals and rebounds. The overachieving Millsap is absent.
4. He is having a career year with 3pt% and to a lesser extent assists. He is also fouling less.

Maybe he has hit his ceiling, but it doesn't make any sense to me that he can't have a career season in a contract year. I still want to believe that nobody works harder than Paul Millsap, and there is some explanation.
 
Millsap, without Jefferdad would probably fit better. Wish a deal for Aldridge could be done, but I think Portland wouldn't touch Alfred with a ten foot pole.
 
billyshelby said:
I don't have the stats to back it up, but Ty has made a pretty consistent effort to get Paul touches early in games. He gets plenty of high PnR's, high posts, and even a fair amount of straight post drops.

Paul's problem is the offense is so inept that if he doesn't get his own shot, he'll never get it back, and he's not great at creating his own shot.

There are 15 teams in the NBA where Paul could effortlessly score 15 - 17 a night just because the system would get him shots. He just doesn't play on one of those teams.
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This. It appears to me the historical benefit of the "Jazz system" is absent. And Vegas' notes about last year's chemistry is somehow worn off. That is due to the whole situation of Kanter/Favors as the heir apparents and BigAl/Milsap 'who do we resign' battle, is just too much to overcome.
 
he is unmotivated. since the start of the season. he wants a killer pg or else out. jazz have to keep sap and send al. but I think it will be both before this season ends.
 
Millsap has a stretch like this every season, it's nothing new. I usually attribute it to teams scouting him and preparing for him after some time. The only thing new about it is he started out this way this season.

Perhaps Millsap was preparing to play sf this season, and wound up playing pf again. So now he can shoot 3 pointers and take people off the dribble, but no plays are called for that and he is still matching up against bigger pfs.

Or maybe he doesn't want to be in Utah anymore. I know Millsap has said a few times that he doesn't want to come off the bench (Boozer was blasted for saying something similar, but Sap gets a pass for some reason). Maybe the guy is just counting the days until he can sign with Brooklyn or some other team?

I'm ready to see Kanter and Favors start. And I don't think there's any way to justify Burks getting another DNP ever again.

The more I think about it, the more I wonder if Corbin is the issue. I'm ad frustrated as anyone about the "give the ball to Jefferson 15 feet out on the left side, have him stand there for 10 seconds without even dribbling, then fire up a shout without otherwise moving" play. But, unlike everyone else, I'm not blaming Jefferson for running the plays that Corbin calls.

The "Jefferson dribbling, with his back to the basket, on the low left block" play is pretty good. And the "attack the basket, pass it around like a hot potato" play is pretty good too. I have no idea why we keep running that "stop the ball 15 feet out and fire up a jumper without ever dribbling or otherwise moving" play. I can only assume it's what the coach is calling for if he keeps playing Jefferson though.

So the rotations are borderline retarded, the plays called are insane, there is no system or identity, no commanding respect. What the heck is Ty bringing to the table right now? I think he's been a huge disappointment so far. He's still young so he may get better, but he's been pretty bad this season. And that may have more to do with Millsap's struggles this season than anything else.
 
I think it's obvious that Paul Millsap suffers with Big Al's chucking and our (lack) of cutting/P&R in the offense. Paul is not much of a 1 on 1 player. He is terrific in pick and pop and cutting offenses.
 
The Thriller said:
I think it's obvious that Paul Millsap suffers with Big Al's chucking and our (lack) of cutting/P&R in the offense. Paul is not much of a 1 on 1 player. He is terrific in pick and pop and cutting offenses.
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that's true, that's why I hope he will stay
 
So I can understand the line of thought that his offensive struggles can be blamed on Al/Ty.
How do you explain his rebounding and steals being down? Is it related to him fouling less?
 
vegas said:
So I can understand the line of thought that his offensive struggles can be blamed on Al/Ty.
How do you explain his rebounding and steals being down? Is it related to him fouling less?
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It's related to him not caring as much. There is not a lot of excuses for that.
 
Harcher said:
Maybe we are seeing the evidence of players who play well for the Jazz (Jerry+Phil) and when they go to another team (coach/Corbin) they don't thrive.
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I said even before Sloan left, when the haters were running there mouths much the way we do about TyCo saying we'd miss him and his system.
 
vegas said:
So I can understand the line of thought that his offensive struggles can be blamed on Al/Ty.
How do you explain his rebounding and steals being down? Is it related to him fouling less?
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First of all, Millsap isn't 100 percent right. I have a feeling there is a rift between himself and the management. I bet that even he wishes that a decision would be made regarding the log jam. We can't keep playing this sitting on the fence game fully committing to neither he or Favors.

Secondly, it's not like Millsap is playing like dump.

https://www.nba.com/playerfile/paul_millsap/career_stats.html

He wasn't going to average 1.8 steals per game again like last year. Last year was an outlier. His steals are right in line with his career stats.

Same with the rebounds, 7.9 isn't bad. Again, near his career avgs.

14.6 pts, 7.9 rbs, 47 percent shooting is right about what anyone should really expect about of Millsap. Contrary to popular belief, he isn't Tim Duncan or Karl Malone.
 
Yeah, the reason Millsap plays poorly is because of everyone else. Makes perfect since.


Also shows why we don't need him.
 
Scorpjazz said:
It was the auto offer almost that they knew he would reject but would make them look good, really.
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Jazz were limited by league rules as to what they could offer. Both the Jazz organization and Paul Millsap knew he would never sign for that amount. Extending the offer was just a show of respect. Millsap has already checked out of town. He knows Favors is the future. But I'm surprised Paul isn't playing better. He should know that his offers are going to be less given the way he's been playing.
 
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