Didn't happen in this case. They shouted slurs and bragged about Obama's impending victory, but there were no claims that they told people how to vote.
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Didn't happen in this case. They shouted slurs and bragged about Obama's impending victory, but there were no claims that they told people how to vote.
I had to look up the story again.
I do not see any claims that they told people how to vote but they did say (according to witnesses) things like "you are about to be ruled by the black man, cracker" and similar bile. That plus they were dressed in paramilitary gear, with party insignia and brandising clubs. As a person that they would target that kind of speech towards, yes I would feel threatened.
Clearly an attempt to intimidate voters.
I do not see any claims that they told people how to vote but they did say (according to witnesses) things like "you are about to be ruled by the black man, cracker" and similar bile. That plus they were dressed in paramilitary gear, with party insignia and brandising clubs. As a person that they would target that kind of speech towards, yes I would feel threatened.
Clearly an attempt to intimidate voters.
I'm sure you would feel threatened, even though there were no threats. Just like other people feel threatened by someone carrying around a semi-automatic rifle into a shopping mall, even though that person is making no threats.
The notion that a couple of black guys would try to start physical violence at a voting station in the USA is a sign you really don't understand race in our country.
Everything about how you described their behavior was aggressive and hostile, particularly to those who were white (using racial slurs) and who did not support Obama's reelection. When people are being aggressive and hostile I don't assume all their actions will be rational or predictable. If someone was to respond to their actions with similar actions (making racial slurs and gloating about the power imbalance between whites and blacks despite who the president is) are you sure there wouldn't have been any violence?
What a crock of ****.
I think we are pretty much done here. Have fun with your tragically warped vision of racism and our nation.
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Come on man, gun control is a big enough can of worms.... lets not open the abortion can. 1 thing at a time.
Welcome to America. When you're in the minority, people being aggressive and hostile is an almost-daily fact of life. If you interpret every such person as a threat, you act paranoid.
Not sure at all. Nor am I sure that the man engaging in an irrational act of carrying around a rifle in a department store will not be engaging in any violence. Is such surety required in saying that someone is or is not a threat?
I wish it were fun. I wish I could put on the same blinders you wear.
Why do you assume that compassion entails acting exactly as you would act?
Hahahaha....
I also enjoy your attempts to spin a man that was not making any threats, not making slurs and not wearinf paramilitary clothing or hate group insignia as more threatening than those who were.
For the same reason you assume racism in America is exactly as you would see it.
I'm enjoying your attempt to portray two men who made no threats as making threats. I also love the way you missed the point completely. In both cases, the level of threat perceived was a reaction in the observer, not an action or state of the supposed threatening person.
What makes you think I believe I have a completely accurate understanding of racism? I can give you several links to people who understand it much better than I.
Also, I neither insist nor expect that everyone sees or reacts to racism in the manner that I do.
Verbalizing racial slurs is an action.
As for the threats accusation all I can say is go back and reread all my replies on that.
It was in jest as I am well aware that you do not have a good understanding or racism.
My response to both of these posts is pretty much the same. The notion that verbalizing slurs is a threatening action, but wearing a gun is not, is a reaction by you based on your personal history. You seem to think that every person should react that way, that these "threats" have some sort of objectively identifiable existence, but those of us with differing personal histories naturally perceive threats differently. You're afraid of black people who are yelling, I'm afraid of guns. Our fears are not rational. I'm not afraid of the yelling black people, you're not afraid of the guns. Those are probably the more rational reactions. Similarly with racism, your perception of racism is firmly grounded in your experiences, as is mine. I have at least been doing some reading of experts on the subject, though. I could be wrong, but I don't think you have done much reading in that area.
I'm just messing with you One Brow.
But no the action of wearing a gun by itself is not threatening to me anymore than a guy driving a car is. What that individual is doing with it is what makes it threatening or non threatening.
The insinuation that I am "...afraid of black people who are yelling..." is a gross misrepresentation of what has been said here. Furthermore it is an intentional misrepresentation. If you are going to debate then please attempt to accurately portray what I am actually saying.
These were two men in hate group insignia, shouting racial slurs and other such bile while holding weapons. That is far different than soemoe just yelling about something. The fact that they are black only really matters to you. Also there can very much be a difference between perceiving something as a threat/threatening and being afraid of something.
I find your above statement to be intellectually dishonest and a intentional gross misrepresentation of what I have said.
I expected better.
But no the action of wearing a gun by itself is not threatening to me anymore than a guy driving a car is. What that individual is doing with it is what makes it threatening or non threatening.
The insinuation that I am "...afraid of black people who are yelling..." is a gross misrepresentation of what has been said here. Furthermore it is an intentional misrepresentation. If you are going to debate then please attempt to accurately portray what I am actually saying.
These were two men in hate group insignia, shouting racial slurs and other such bile while holding weapons. That is far different than soemoe just yelling about something. The fact that they are black only really matters to you. Also there can very much be a difference between perceiving something as a threat/threatening and being afraid of something.
I find your above statement to be intellectually dishonest and a intentional gross misrepresentation of what I have said.
I expected better.
Back on topic.
https://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887323468604578249702672826598.html
Fairly straightforward article. I agree till you get to the 2nd to last paragraph.
I find the mentions of the California's Armed Prohibited Persons System to be interesting. Basically says that the guns of the mentally ill and certain classes of felons will have their guns confiscated. I am not necessarilly against that depending on how it is written up and implemented. However that can be a slippery slope and the definitions of mentally ill can be used to cast a wide net. Good concept that can potentially be very dangerous to the 2nd amendment.
https://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887323468604578249702672826598.html
Fairly straightforward article. I agree till you get to the 2nd to last paragraph.
I find the mentions of the California's Armed Prohibited Persons System to be interesting. Basically says that the guns of the mentally ill and certain classes of felons will have their guns confiscated. I am not necessarilly against that depending on how it is written up and implemented. However that can be a slippery slope and the definitions of mentally ill can be used to cast a wide net. Good concept that can potentially be very dangerous to the 2nd amendment.
You know what scares me? People riding horses. I don't know what their intentions are and don't feel comfortable when non-Mardi Gras police are wielding such a massive weapon in my presence. Why should we continue allowing horses people ride when I feel uncomfortable by them?
People who gut their own fish really scare me too. I don't know what their intentions are with that fillet knife. For all I know, they're brandishing it just waiting for some purdy girl to walk by and snatch up yer wife and children. Why should we allow knife wielding maybe mentally ill maybe not potential criminals hang out cleaning their fish when it makes me uncomfortable and I don't know their intentions?
I don't know what your intentions are when I pull up to you next to a gas pump. For all I know, you're sitting their waiting to torch my car and it makes me uncomfortable. Why should we allow gasoline dispensing paraphernalia to exist unhinged? I don't know your intentions.
What really really really makes me uncomfortable is crossing crosswalks in front of stopped vehicles. I don't know their intentions. Maybe they are baiting me to cross in front of them so they can run me over behind the wheel of these uncontrolled 2 ton weapon. Why don't we have wheel locks at all crosswalks? That's sensible thing to do. I don't know their intentions...I feel uncomfortable.
People who gut their own fish really scare me too. I don't know what their intentions are with that fillet knife. For all I know, they're brandishing it just waiting for some purdy girl to walk by and snatch up yer wife and children. Why should we allow knife wielding maybe mentally ill maybe not potential criminals hang out cleaning their fish when it makes me uncomfortable and I don't know their intentions?
I don't know what your intentions are when I pull up to you next to a gas pump. For all I know, you're sitting their waiting to torch my car and it makes me uncomfortable. Why should we allow gasoline dispensing paraphernalia to exist unhinged? I don't know your intentions.
What really really really makes me uncomfortable is crossing crosswalks in front of stopped vehicles. I don't know their intentions. Maybe they are baiting me to cross in front of them so they can run me over behind the wheel of these uncontrolled 2 ton weapon. Why don't we have wheel locks at all crosswalks? That's sensible thing to do. I don't know their intentions...I feel uncomfortable.