GVC
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Ok. That makes sense.
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Lion's Roar
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Perfect player to do this with is Martin Gortat. His salary could go up to as much as $18M and drop to $10.8M with 7.5% decreases. Remember that big men are getting paid in the $12M vicinity. Instead of going 12,13,14,15 his salary could go 18, 10.8, 10.2, 9.8 (all figures ball-park).
But it doesn't work all that well for us. Cause with Kanter and Favors we can't have another big being paid that kind of money. Phoenix can do it though.
But it doesn't work all that well for us. Cause with Kanter and Favors we can't have another big being paid that kind of money. Phoenix can do it though.
GVC
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That's way too much for Gortat.
Lion's Roar
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GVC
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What?
Lion's Roar
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Salary cap is about $58M this year. If it raises $2M to $60M then the max contracts allowed are for 30% of the cap or $18M starting salary. Deron's contract started at $17.2M this year. See lots of ppl talk about max contracts above $10M but it's really, really off.
GVC
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1. I wouldn't count on the cap going up next season. The only reason it stayed at $58.044mm this season is because that was the agreed to minimum for both last season and this season. Next season, the cap will be based on 44.74% of BRI. There's a good chance it goes down, given that it stayed at $58.044mm this season.
2. 7 year max contracts aren't actually set at 30% of the salary cap. Max salary amounts are based on 42.14% of BRI, not the 44.74% that's used to calculate the cap. If the cap is at $55mm next season, the starting salary for a 7-9 year (service time) max contract is $15.541mm. If the cap increases to $60mm, the starting salary on a 7-9 year max contract is $16.954mm.
I don't really understand the mechanism behind the idea of limiting or eliminating the exorbitant loading of select years. Seems to be good for everyone, especially if the NBA wants teams to keep their players. Just quite lame all around.
Maybe I'll do some homework on what it would take to make a Millsap extension happen. Trading Al naturally makes sense on two fronts.
Maybe I'll do some homework on what it would take to make a Millsap extension happen. Trading Al naturally makes sense on two fronts.
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GVC
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A 10+ year veteran could have 35% of the cap under the last CBA. There is no change. Kobe will make $30mm next season, for example.
Lion's Roar
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Kobe's contract is a max salary exception. Not the 35% of the cap figure.
GVC
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What? The 35% max for players with 10+ years of service is the same in the 2011 CBA as it was in the 2005 CBA. Max salaries will actually be lower as a percentage of the salary cap under the 2011 CBA than under the 2005 CBA due to a change in max raises (from 10.5% to 7.5% and from 8% to 4.5%).
Also, the salary cap will almost certainly decrease next season. Under the 2005 CBA, the salary cap was based on 51% of projected BRI; under the 2011 CBA, the salary cap is based on 44.74% of projected BRI. The cap this year is at $58.044mm because that was the guaranteed minimum for the first two years under the 2011 CBA.
Ignoring corrections, let's assume that projected BRI has increased by 3% per year over the 3 years since the $58.044 salary cap in 10/11 (based on 51% of BRI). Under this assumption, we should expect a salary cap around $55.6mm next season (based on 44.74% of BRI). Assuming 2% increases in BRI, the expected salary cap is $54.0mm. Assuming 4% increases in BRI, the expected salary cap is $57.3mm. A yearly projected BRI increase of 4.46% over the 3 years would keep the cap at $58.044mm.
Lion's Roar
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.Why are we having this discussion? Is it true or not that Deron got $17.2M on his max contract? I said next year the max contracts could start at $18M to $20M which are the projections I read for Chris Paul's starting salary. Blake Griffin's contract is projected to start at $16.4M next season. So the max contracts are starting at $16M to $17M. Chris Paul may command a salary of $18.69M and Dwight $20.51M.
So that was what I was referring to. There's max deal out there starting at $18M to $20M and even "ordinary" max deals are setting themselves up at $16.4M which is a far cry from the $10M that ppl used to refer as max deals.
So that was what I was referring to. There's max deal out there starting at $18M to $20M and even "ordinary" max deals are setting themselves up at $16.4M which is a far cry from the $10M that ppl used to refer as max deals.
GVC
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1. Where are you reading these projections? If the cap goes down, the first year salary of a max contract for Chris Paul will be less than Deron's $17.2mm, which is less than $18mm.
2. What does "Chris Paul may command a salary of $18.69M" mean?
3. What is an "ordinary" max deal? What other max deals are there?
4. Who referred to $10mm salaries as "max deals"? Whoever did was wrong (unless they did so ages ago).
GVC
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Note: Chris Paul can receive $18.69mm in the first year of a new contract next season, as that is 5% above his current salary. That number will almost certainly be well above 30% (*(42.14/44.74)) of the cap. Deron's current salary is also above 30% (*(42.14/44.74)) of the cap (also 5% above his salary next season). This was also possible under the 2005 CBA.
Lion's Roar
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A free-agent can receive 105% of the last year of his last contract even if the amount is above the max salary stipulations. Deron Williams didn't exercise the last year of his contract and because of that the 1st year salary of his new contract is less than that of Chris Paul.
An "ordinary" max deal is a deal that is restricted to 25%, 30% or 35% of the salary cap. "Super-max" deals come from players that had high salary figures and are eligible to the amount of the last year of their last contract times 105%.
It's pretty simple. Since some players max deal are for $12M then they say someone else being paid $13M is udner a max deal when they might not be cause maybe they could have gotten $15M instead.
Lion's Roar
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Also note that BRI has to be agreed upon between the owners and the players. If both sides can't agree with a BRI number during the July moratorium then the BRI will be calculated by using the previous year BRI subtracting broadcasting rights adding broadcasting rights in the new year and multiplying the figure by 104,5%. Since broadcasting rights are on the upswing and since there's no reason for players and owners to agree upon a lower BRI then it's pretty simple to expect at least a 4.5% jump in the BRI for next season.
GVC
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It's 4.5% for 3 consecutive seasons though. Given the state of the economy, I consider it unlikely that BRI will have increased by an average of 4.5% for 3 seasons. We'll know soon enough.
Also, I'm having this discussion because I find the NBA salary cap (and CBA) interesting. That's all.
You posted this:
I assumed you were implicitly stating that max contract salaries are increasing. They are not. It's more likely that first year salaries in max contracts will decrease than increase next season. Further, due to the lowering of raises under the current CBA (and the cutting of a year off the max length of contracts), the average salary in max contracts has decreased under the 2011 CBA (with respect to the 2005 CBA).