GVC
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So Donte Greene has no value? There are more than a few Sacramento Kings fans who would disagree.
Houston in talks with Kyrylo Fesenko.
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It's time to move on YB. It's Fesenko's intangibles that are so valuable to this team, not his on court production.
NotDeadYet
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We signed Elson as insurance just in case Fes exits. It's the same deal as with Wes Matthews; if their contract is too much, Elson will get Fes's minutes. Otherwise we match and got'em both. KoC has this very well under control
gregbroncs
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This. I agree 100% with this.
JoelHodgeJr
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I don’t understand why everyone is so hard on Fes. I mean he was the 37th pick. I think we are lucky as hell to have a 7' 300lbs monster with a 7'4" wingspan and a 9'4" standing reach. If we sign him anything less than 4mil per season then we got a deal. Fes is an amazing bargain just because of his extremely rare size. You don’t find men built like this, you can teach basketball not size.
Jazz4ever
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Interesting, so the other 29 GMs simply must be clueless to not offer him a contract.
Twin Towers
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Fesenko will never put up huge numbers but he could easily put up 10 points 8 rebounds and 1.5-2 blocks per game if given 30-33 minutes a night.
But its the space he takes up on defense that makes him so valuable. I actually agree that anything under 4 Million a year is a bargain for him.
Most GM's look at stats instead of how players complement each other. That is why there is so many over paid players for the past 5 years.
He is the perfect back up Center. If Fesenko was not restricted than Fesenko would have a contract right now. Most teams don't have money or they know the Jazz will match.
There is plenty of back up Centers getting more than 4 Million a year. I would offer Fesenko 8 Million dollars for 4 years with the 4th year being a team option. He is worth that easily.
I have a feeling that the Jazz only offered him the qualifying offer and are holding there ground. But they will match just about any offer. But are hoping he just signs that just in case something better comes along next summer when he is a free agent again.
I personally think they should sign him long term. He is bargain whether he gets better or not.
But its the space he takes up on defense that makes him so valuable. I actually agree that anything under 4 Million a year is a bargain for him.
Most GM's look at stats instead of how players complement each other. That is why there is so many over paid players for the past 5 years.
He is the perfect back up Center. If Fesenko was not restricted than Fesenko would have a contract right now. Most teams don't have money or they know the Jazz will match.
There is plenty of back up Centers getting more than 4 Million a year. I would offer Fesenko 8 Million dollars for 4 years with the 4th year being a team option. He is worth that easily.
I have a feeling that the Jazz only offered him the qualifying offer and are holding there ground. But they will match just about any offer. But are hoping he just signs that just in case something better comes along next summer when he is a free agent again.
I personally think they should sign him long term. He is bargain whether he gets better or not.
JoelHodgeJr
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Or they dont need to overpay a 7'1" project right now. Fes is a restricted free agent right now, so teams will have to offer more than what we think Fes is worth. Who wants a 6 million dollar project. But if you think Fes would'nt have offers if he was a unrestricted then maybe your a little clueless.
I don't get your logic Twin..
1. "Most teams don't have money or know the Jazz will match" - so you're saying if some teams offered him $4mil a year then the Jazz will match? Are you kidding me?
2. "Jazz only offering qualifying offer... but will match just about any offer" - so... do they want him for longer 1 year or not? If yes why haven't they offered him a 2 year contract already? If no then why would they match "any offer"?
3. "He is bargain whether he gets better or not" - so why have they not signed him already? Let him walk next year when he's got 1 more year of experience under his belt and becoming a free agent?
What I think is the case is this - the Jazz are sure that although he's got potential - that potential is not great. Also they believe there are bigger fishes in the sea next year (i.e., Tomic). They want him for cheap this year - and that's it. End of story.
There is also of course the chance that Fesenko will become last year's Mathews.. but they must have worked out the odds for that - and figured that it's not very likely.
JoelHodgeJr
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I differ with you on what the Jazz think about Fes's potential. For a center size and mobility is potential. You dont need to shoot 20 feet out and you dont need to be able to pass perfect out of a double team all the time. I mean look at Dwight Howard (not saying fes is equal). Cant shoot, pass, or dribble but is concidered the best center in the game. All Fes has going for him right now is "massive" (haha) potential. If the Jazz crew can get through to this kid and teach him "How to play the game right" then he could be a great player.
That's exactly my point - if the Jazz still thinks that he's got "massive" potential - then why don't they sign him to a 2 year contract? Why waste this year "teaching him" and once he becomes a decent player we lose him to the sharks (Houston, Dallas, Denver, Portland..etc) next year?
The only conclusion is that they must think that his potential is not "massive" enough and therefore have given up.
That's the logic anyway assuming they'd learnt from the Mathews shenanigans....
JoelHodgeJr
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Nick if they gave up on him then they wouldnt offer him a contract. The Jazz have no problem and have never had a problem passing up on players they lost faith with. This is still a buisness and the Jazz are going to offer Fes as little as they think they can and still have him sign. Dont get so hung up on how much or how long his contract is for. If he has a big season this year they will be more than happy to pay him big bucks, but this way they can wait untill after the NBA Bargaining Agreement which will likey be lowering all future contract sizes.
InGameStrategy
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I've been one of the biggest Fesenkophiles, but I would say that he is a ways away from going 30 MPG from even a physical conditioning standpoint, not to mention skillwise.
That being said, I agree with you that they should lock him up for two to four years. He probably hasn't developed naturally as quickly as Sloan would've liked, and his off-court behavior hasn't been exemplary, but Sloan hasn't given him a lot of on-court experience to really put it into practice.
Part of me wishes that someone overseas or here--wherever--would put put some pressure into Utah signing Fes to a multiyear deal, ideally at modest money ($2 million give or take a million).
JoelHodgeJr
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So im saying the length and size of a players contract has nothing to do with a teams hope in said player's potential.
I hear what you're saying but $1.1m qualifying offer is not a lot of money and hardly a sign that they believe in him. Heck - try to find a legit 7 footer who knows the Jazz system, has had multiple NBA playoff experience who will sign for less than that!
I love Fes but understand wanting to lock him down for low $ for a number of years. If nothing else it's a big strategic advantage to have a player that is potentially very good that eats up little cap space. Particularly going into an uncertain CBA environment.