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Affordable Care?

babe said:
Being popular is one thing, especially in a society with decades of indoctrination. . . .

Being free to direct the use of your own wages, and make choices that affect your own health, is. . . . apparently. . . . sometthing else.

Drones and massive monitoring of your movements, opinions, and sentiments are one thing. . . .

Giving government-sanctioned bureaucracies the power to pull the plug on any care essential to life is hardly "freedom" or respect for people's "right to life" or "pursuit of happiness".

The ACA was "on the table" for review, alterations, input for decades before it was passed in the dead of night while politicians argued it was "revenue neutral" and therefore not a tax, and would eventually make healthcare more affordable and available because it would make government overseers powerful enough to make all the decisions. . . . .

The major players in healthcare all had their seat at the table, and made sure they would prosper. Those who won't prosper or get the care are us.
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How does the ACA give "government-sanctioned bureaucracies the power to pull the plug on any care essential to life?" It may say insurance companies do or don't have to cover something, but before the ACA insurance companies were free to cover or not cover whatever they wanted.

So you'd rather have a group of fat cats who come right out and say their only interest is making as much money as possible, having the full authority to drop coverage on anyone for any reason?

I'd much rather have the law state regulate that.

And if something isn't required to be covered under the ACA, you can always get better insurance. It's not like the ACA forbids anything from being covered.
 
SaltyDawg said:
How does the ACA give "government-sanctioned bureaucracies the power to pull the plug on any care essential to life?" It may say insurance companies do or don't have to cover something, but before the ACA insurance companies were free to cover or not cover whatever they wanted.

So you'd rather have a group of fat cats who come right out and say their only interest is making as much money as possible, having the full authority to drop coverage on anyone for any reason?

I'd much rather have the law state regulate that.

And if something isn't required to be covered under the ACA, you can always get better insurance. It's not like the ACA forbids anything from being covered.
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And if something isn't covered under your insurance, you can always get better insurance. It's not like they were forbiden from covering anything.

Weak arguement that works both ways.
 
Stoked said:
And both are shinning examples of why government needs to stay as out of peoples lives as possible.
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Right, because this country would have been so much better off if everyone would have lost their social security a few years ago when the market crashed and everyone's 401k took a beating.

Most people are very happy they have a guarantee like social security. And there is not even a question if most old timers would rather have Medicare or try to deal with private insurance companies on the open market.
 
SaltyDawg said:
Right, because this country would have been so much better off if everyone would have lost their social security a few years ago when the market crashed and everyone's 401k took a beating.

Most people are very happy they have a guarantee like social security. And there is not even a question if most old timers would rather have Medicare or try to deal with private insurance companies on the open market.
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Because they are so well run and do not take up vast portions of our spending. Because they are not money pits that are ineffectively run.

As for this guarantee of Social Security? Soon they will not be able to make all their payments. What then?
 
Stoked said:
As for this guarantee of Social Security? Soon they will not be able to make all their payments. What then?
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I'm sure Salty will opt out of receiving SS so that those who are less fortunate will still get their monthly check.
 
I just want to know when my free insurance starts? And will my free phone arrive with the ACA insurance card or do they ship that separately?
 
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Stoked said:
Because they are so well run and do not take up vast portions of our spending. Because they are not money pits that are ineffectively run.

As for this guarantee of Social Security? Soon they will not be able to make all their payments. What then?
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Then tax the first $500,000 of income instead of only the first $100,000 or whatever it is now.

Tell your grandma to go get insurance in the open market. See how much insurance companies want to charge old people who are often in need of medical care (if they will even cover them at all). Medicare is a good thing, and that's why almost all the old timers are against getting rid of it.
 
Scat said:
I'm sure Salty will opt out of receiving SS so that those who are less fortunate will still get their monthly check.
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No way. I'm planning on getting mine. If you want to raise my taxes a bit, fine, raise them. I wouldn't miss an extra $10 or whatever. But don't attempt to cut the benefits.
 
SaltyDawg said:
Then tax the first $500,000 of income instead of only the first $100,000 or whatever it is now.

Tell your grandma to go get insurance in the open market. See how much insurance companies want to charge old people who are often in need of medical care (if they will even cover them at all). Medicare is a good thing, and that's why almost all the old timers are against getting rid of it.
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Medicare was a good idea ran into the ground by an inept government. You are missing the point. I am not saying those programs are bad ideas. I am saying they are proof that government is incapable of running anything let alone our lives. To much redtape, policies, laws, beurcracy...
 
Stoked said:
And both are shinning examples of why government needs to stay as out of peoples lives as possible.
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Anyone who thinks that either SS or Medicare has made the lives of seniors worse really needs to read up what it was like to be poor and elderly in the 1920s.
 
Stoked said:
As for this guarantee of Social Security? Soon they will not be able to make all their payments. What then?
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The absolute worst projection is that they will still make 70% of their payments, which is better than a major market crash.
 
One Brow said:
Anyone who thinks that either SS or Medicare has made the lives of seniors worse really needs to read up what it was like to be poor and elderly in the 1920s.
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Way to miss the point Salty. I mean One Brow.

Anyone who thinks they are efficiently and responsibly run needs to read up on how they are run.
 
One Brow said:
The absolute worst projection is that they will still make 70% of their payments, which is better than a major market crash.
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To start off with. That does nothing to solve the problem. Just a change forced on them from years and years of inaction.
 
Stoked said:
Anyone who thinks they are efficiently and responsibly run needs to read up on how they are run.
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Compared to private alternatives, they are efficiently run. The reason fraud numbers are so high is scale, not ineffectiveness.
 
Stoked said:
To start off with. That does nothing to solve the problem. Just a change forced on them from years and years of inaction.
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You asked what the guarantee was. It's 70% of projections, even if nothing else changes.
 
One Brow said:
You asked what the guarantee was. It's 70% of projections, even if nothing else changes.
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No I didn't. I know what it is. Again that ignores the fact that one of the problems is well known to grow and contiue. That 70% is if nothing changes when they know it will. It will change for the worse but they don't want to tell you that.

Again, they know it will. Not they think or maybe, they know...
 
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