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Houston in talks with Kyrylo Fesenko.

go4jazz said:
Archie, Archie, Archie. Continually baiting me is funny at best, kind of sad and pathetic at worst.
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I know, right? I'm sad, pathetic, and most importantly, I'm totally awesome.

Anyways, who are you? Do you work for the Jazz? Do you think you can get me a job in concessions? Will my online posting style prohibit me from ever having a job with the Jazz?

Thanks,


Archie Baiter.
 
go4jazz said:
October 1st is the last day he has to sign. Until then any and all possibilities will be explored unless the Jazz come off their minimum 1-year qualifying. There is no reason to do otherwise.
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Hmmm. I dont know maybe if he signs now he could start to "practice" with the other guys for instance. Apparently Elson has already done so. I am a proponent of Fes. I would prefer them to sign him to at least a couple of years. At the "true" center position we are pretty bare. We have a 34yr old who was never to great and a 30+ player who has a major injury.
 
InGameStrategy said:
If true, it's only adding to the theory that Sloan doesn't develop players well.

At times, especially against some matchups, Fesenko was more effective than Okur. Fes helped to mask Boozer's deficiency better than Matador Memo did. Fes was rarely used down the stretch because Sloan evidently liked Okur's 3-point shooting (which didn't always compensate for his defense). But the outside shot is more replaceable than inside D.

Barring someone who might end up with a prison sentence or who really messes up chemistry in the locker room or practice, the #1 criterion for evaluating a player should be what they do on the court. Fes doesn't pay a lot of attention in the huddle, but he is possibly the best matchup against the Twin Towers of Tinseltown that Utah has (depending on how Jefferson pans out defensively; AJ would likely take the other one anyway). I'm not convinced that Francisco Dutchman will be able to do the same.
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Sloan does not develop players well at all. That is the biggest fallacy. Just because a player is young and he succeeds in our system doesn't mean Sloan developed him.
Sloan can put NBA ready players into his system and make them better.

But he does not develop raw players. I've never seen a raw player become better in the Jazz system. They need to be ready like Deron, Matthews & Millsap.

I fully agree that Fesenko was better than Okur for us too at some points. The outside shot is overrated. I am glad Okur got hurt to be honest. Sounds horrible but it will be a blessing in disguise for us. I do like Okur off the bench though for 20-25 minutes.
 
I think Sloan develops players who are aleady motivated very well. He's not into all the little psychology games a lot of coaches use to "reach" players to get them to do things they aren't used to doing. ALA the Zen-master, and others... Jerry's just plain down to earth; if you're ready to work and want to learn to play in a team concept, he da man!
It would not surprise me if Fes could get a better deal back in Ukraine if he wanted to just take the $$$ and run... Not sure that is even legal though, as he's a RFA...
 
NotDeadYet said:
It would not surprise me if Fes could get a better deal back in Ukraine if he wanted to just take the $$$ and run... Not sure that is even legal though, as he's a RFA...
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If Fes wanted to play overseas he could accept a foreign offer. The Jazz, however, would retain his RFA rights in the NBA so that if he tried to come back to the US in subsequent seasons he would have to go through the same process he's dealing with now.

See: Josh Childress
 
Yep; didn't know if Josh was still under an NBA contract when he split.
Guess all David Stern can do about it is wave his finger at them for taking away his players. But, for them to leave and come to the NBA, they need a little grease on their wheel to get their blessing...
 
A little blog about Fes today in the Trib. Nothing new really. It does name Cleveland, Golden State as other teams interested besides Houston. Elson is already apparently practicing with most of the other players. I hope Fes has been working out since the Euro qualifying tournament ended.
 
Wow, what an expert

Kenwood said:
He's working out. I bet he's up to 4 Big Macs and 3 packs of smokes a day by now. Soon he'll be in midseason form.
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Wow, such an expert. He came back at 285 lbs and has been working hard with his trainer. Thanks for playing though.
 
go4jazz said:
Wow, such an expert. He came back at 285 lbs and has been working hard with his trainer. Thanks for playing though.
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Are you Fes's brother, agent, or butt-buddy? If you're the later one, you might not want to tell Kicky. It might hurt the little fellow's feelings.
 
NCJazz said:
A little blog about Fes today in the Trib. Nothing new really. It does name Cleveland, Golden State as other teams interested besides Houston. Elson is already apparently practicing with most of the other players. I hope Fes has been working out since the Euro qualifying tournament ended.
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I left this in your private messages this morning:

Fes wants to work out with the guys but the nature of contract negotiations don't allow for that. Even practicing with the guys at Zions could imply acceptance of the contract and at the very least weaken his negotiating ability. I promise that his agent/camp have been EXTREMELY reasonable with their requests to finish the signing and could have had it done weeks ago. Now there is significant interest from some other teams and that just needs to play out at this point. I can tell you this. Fes has been working out almost daily with his trainer. The same trainer as DWill, Millsap, Price etc. He has also been on the court running drills, just not at Zions. He also came back at 285 lbs. ready to play.

It's all a mess. A mess we all hope is settled soon.
 
To me, it seems like it's more of a problem with Fes's "young and up and coming" agent trying to make a name for himself. I know that they PT for DWill and Millsap have done wonders for people, but he's also worked with guys like Ryan Toolson. In other words, a lot of work, no NBA.
 
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