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Houston in talks with Kyrylo Fesenko.

Kenwood said:
Just having a little fun with the Fes sterotype. No reason to get so excited.
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I get the fun thing and the stereotype thing but it gets a little frustrating when the emphasis with some continues to be on the past. It is a stereotype he is working hard to break and its a stereotype that is a little too easily perpetuated. Not angry really or excited, just wanting to focus on the progressive positives versus the old-school negatives.
 
go4jazz said:
I get the fun thing and the stereotype thing but it gets a little frustrating when the emphasis with some continues to be on the past. It is a stereotype he is working hard to break and its a stereotype that is a little too easily perpetuated. Not angry really or excited, just wanting to focus on the progressive positives versus the old-school negatives.
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Questions, for the Fes expert:

Does Fes still smoke?

Does Fes still act like he's 12?

Does Fes really weigh 285 or is that what he told you/media?

Hmm... I already know the answers to those questions. Stereotype still sticks.
 
Archie Moses said:
To me, it seems like it's more of a problem with Fes's "young and up and coming" agent trying to make a name for himself. I know that they PT for DWill and Millsap have done wonders for people, but he's also worked with guys like Ryan Toolson. In other words, a lot of work, no NBA.
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Thanks, Locke.
 
go4jazz said:
I get the fun thing and the stereotype thing but it gets a little frustrating when the emphasis with some continues to be on the past. It is a stereotype he is working hard to break and its a stereotype that is a little too easily perpetuated. Not angry really or excited, just wanting to focus on the progressive positives versus the old-school negatives.
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I get it, but I just have somewhat low expectations with Fes. To be honest, diet and smoking aren't even the biggest worries for me. He's just a big, goofy kid. He's only 23, so maybe he matures and becomes a force, but after watching guys like Luther Wright (much more severe issues) and Greg Ostertag I don't really expect him to suddenly just "get it" and become all that.

If I does, I will be thrilled.
 
Archie Moses said:
To me, it seems like it's more of a problem with Fes's "young and up and coming" agent trying to make a name for himself. I know that they PT for DWill and Millsap have done wonders for people, but he's also worked with guys like Ryan Toolson. In other words, a lot of work, no NBA.
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"young and up and coming" agent? or trainer? Agent is neither young or upcoming. Trainer is young and upcoming but DWill moved his trainer here and he has since gone on to train many of the players. Who cares if he coached Ryan Toolson? He also coaches Louis Vito, the snowboarder and Angela Wang the figure skater. He is an excellent trainer, far better than what he gets with the Jazz staff IMHO.
 
go4jazz said:
Angela Wang
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Jeditiger,

You already garnered less than zero respect but go ahead and google - angela wang ice skating and tell me and everyone else what you find.
 
go4jazz said:
Ok, so if you are making fun of Locke then funny. If not, then I'm not sure how an agent that has written a billion+ worth of contracts is new and upcoming.
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I'm not trying to be funny. You act like you're an insider, but fail to know your stuff. His agent is new and up and coming. Would you like me to inform you of his "big clients" he's had? I can, if you want to feel really stupid with your "billion +" comment.
 
Fegan is the agent.

Archie Moses said:
I'm not trying to be funny. You act like you're an insider, but fail to know your stuff. His agent is new and up and coming. Would you like me to inform you of his "big clients" he's had? I can, if you want to feel really stupid with your "billion +" comment.
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Here, feel stupid.

* Dwight Howard
* John Wall
* Shawn Marion
* Jason Terry
* Yi Jianlian[1]
* Ricky Rubio[4]
* Matt Carroll
* Joe Smith
* Rafer Alston
* Kris Humphries
* Austin Croshere
* Jarvis Hayes
* Melvin Ely
* Shandon Anderson
* Ruben Patterson
* Erick Dampier
* Howard Eisley
* Reggie Evans
* Dermarr Johnson
* Troy Murphy
* Eduardo Nájera
* Nenê
* Ricky Sanchez
* Anderson Varejão
* Jrue Holiday
* Kyrylo Fesenko

The agent of record is Dan Fegan. Period! The agent contract that Fes signed was countersigned by Dan, not by Stu. Stu helps with a lot of the day to day communications with the press and the front office. That said Dan has had direct communications with Kevin O'Connor during these negotiations as has Stu. The buck stops with Dan and no contract will be signed without Dan going over it first and personally discussing the details with Fes. Yeah, Archie, I am an insider. Perhaps that burns you up, I don't really care but if you can't bring it properly don't bring it at all.
 
Archie Moses said:
Questions, for the Fes expert:

Does Fes still smoke?

Does Fes still act like he's 12?

Does Fes really weigh 285 or is that what he told you/media?

Hmm... I already know the answers to those questions. Stereotype still sticks.
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Does he still have the ability to at least help to slow down the Laker frontcourt, like he did in the playoffs?

Does he have the potential to improve on that ability?

Does your laundry list of questions matter anywhere nearly to the two above?
 
go4jazz said:
Here, feel stupid.

* Dwight Howard
* John Wall
* Shawn Marion
* Jason Terry
* Yi Jianlian[1]
* Ricky Rubio[4]
* Matt Carroll
* Joe Smith
* Rafer Alston
* Kris Humphries
* Austin Croshere
* Jarvis Hayes
* Melvin Ely
* Shandon Anderson
* Ruben Patterson
* Erick Dampier
* Howard Eisley
* Reggie Evans
* Dermarr Johnson
* Troy Murphy
* Eduardo Nájera
* Nenê
* Ricky Sanchez
* Anderson Varejão
* Jrue Holiday
* Kyrylo Fesenko

The agent of record is Dan Fegan. Period! The agent contract that Fes signed was countersigned by Dan, not by Stu. Stu helps with a lot of the day to day communications with the press and the front office. That said Dan has had direct communications with Kevin O'Connor during these negotiations as has Stu. The buck stops with Dan and no contract will be signed without Dan going over it first and personally discussing the details with Fes. Yeah, Archie, I am an insider. Perhaps that burns you up, I don't really care but if you can't bring it properly don't bring it at all.
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Stu Lash, Fesenko’s agent, would not comment when reached by phone Monday.
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David Locke and the SLTrib disagree with you.

Science>your agent knowledge> your opinion.
 
David Locke is a moron. Period. SLtrib talks to Stu, just like I said. Stu is an agent with Dan's company and once again, for your small mind, handles much of the day-to-day communication with many of the clients. Fegan is agent of record and heavily involved in negotiations with many of his clients INCLUDING Fes. I'm sorry that you can't seem to understand that. Dan has enough clients so as to need to delegate much of the mundane.

Here you go, a quote from the Deseret News, reprinted by SLCDunk.com

"[Fes'] short-term plan for now is to travel to California in the next few days to meet with his new agent, Dan Fegan..."
https://www.slcdunk.com/2010/5/15/1473172/the-one-in-which-fes-summer-plans

Just keep digging that hole Archie. Pretty soon you'll be all the way to China.
 
BTW, the following quote suggests that Lash does represent Fesenko, and that Lash works for Fegan (probably as a less-senior agent under Fegan).

One more note on Fegan, before we turn back to Sacramento. Stu Lash had worked for Levien at Levien Sports Representation. When Levien got out of the game, Lash ended up working for Fegan. Lash now represents Kyrylo Fesenko, a former client of Levien's.
https://www.sactownroyalty.com/2010/7/8/1559643/jason-levien-resigns-from-kings
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Stu is (or recently was) based in Denver, so it makes sense regionally that Stu would cover clients who are playing (or have played) with Utah.
https://www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/97592169.html


Not sure, go4jazz, where your evidence is that Dan Fegan is Fes's "agent of record." Multiple media sources show Stu Lash to be Fes's agent. Still could be a co-management or something.
https://www.deseretnews.com/article...o-Elson-to-boost-post-depth.html?s_cid=rss-32

Lash and Fegan have co-respresented before.
https://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=5346053

Wikipedia boasts Fes at the bottom of his client list. Not sure who put KF's name on there.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dan_Fegan

It would be interesting to know what the sticking points to the signing are. Looks like Fes is ready to join the team. It smells, as I suspect, that Utah is insisting (foolishly, IMHO) on a one-year QO deal, and that Fes's camp wants a bit more, hopefully reasonable.
 
go4jazz said:
David Locke is a moron. Period. SLtrib talks to Stu, just like I said. Stu is an agent with Dan's company and once again, for your small mind, handles much of the day-to-day communication with many of the clients. Fegan is agent of record and heavily involved in negotiations with many of his clients INCLUDING Fes. I'm sorry that you can't seem to understand that. Dan has enough clients so as to need to delegate much of the mundane.

Here you go, a quote from the Deseret News, reprinted by SLCDunk.com

"[Fes'] short-term plan for now is to travel to California in the next few days to meet with his new agent, Dan Fegan..."
https://www.slcdunk.com/2010/5/15/1473172/the-one-in-which-fes-summer-plans

Just keep digging that hole Archie. Pretty soon you'll be all the way to China.
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Weak. You're really archie-ing this one.

Generally, I'll take my chances with an actual publication and a guy with actual inside knowledge over a ****ing blog. Also, I have a telecaster I want to sell to you. It's a Squier, but Fender's the parent company, so it's the same thing.
 
go4jazz said:
David Locke is a moron. Period. SLtrib talks to Stu, just like I said. Stu is an agent with Dan's company and once again, for your small mind, handles much of the day-to-day communication with many of the clients. Fegan is agent of record and heavily involved in negotiations with many of his clients INCLUDING Fes. I'm sorry that you can't seem to understand that. Dan has enough clients so as to need to delegate much of the mundane.

Here you go, a quote from the Deseret News, reprinted by SLCDunk.com

"[Fes'] short-term plan for now is to travel to California in the next few days to meet with his new agent, Dan Fegan..."
https://www.slcdunk.com/2010/5/15/1473172/the-one-in-which-fes-summer-plans

Just keep digging that hole Archie. Pretty soon you'll be all the way to China.
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https://www.deseretnews.com/article...ews-Kyrylo-Fesenko-get-qualifying-offers.html

Here you go. A quote from deseretnews, reprinted by the deseretnews.
"After the way he played in the playoffs and the commitment that's been made to him at this point, it's safe to say (the qualifying offer) was expected," Fesenko's agent, Stu Lash, said by phone Monday.
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I like digging this hole.

BTW, care to reveal your position? Are you allowed to tell someone to go hang them self?
 
I see how it is now. Stu is his agent, but at the same time, he's not his agent. Right?
https://www.deseretnews.com/article...agent-disputes-any-national-team-tantrum.html
From Deseret News archives:
Utah Jazz: Fesenko's agent disputes any national-team tantrum
Published: Tuesday, Aug. 25, 2009 12:00 a.m. MDT

By Jody Genessy, Deseret News
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Recent claims that a disgruntled Kyrylo Fesenko quit the Ukraine national team and had a feud with his federation might have been a little mistranslated between Europe and the U.S.

According to his agent, the media reports were at the very least "a little misreported."

Fesenko's agent, Stu Lash, disputes published allegations that his client left the Ukraine national team in the middle of a tournament earlier this month because the center was disgruntled or had a disagreement with the country's coach.
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In fact, Lash insists Fesenko's European experience — which he chose to pursue over being on the Utah Jazz's summer-league team — was still sweet even if shortened for a family obligation.

And the agent believes Fesenko's summer stint was good for the 7-foot-1 center and will be for the Jazz this NBA season as well.

"It was positive," Lash said of the Ukrainian's brief national-team time. "I think one thing it gave him was an opportunity to be back home and play and build his confidence up more than anything. … (It was) all in all a good experience for him."

Some, however, wondered if the opposite was the case from perusing box scores and viewing the situation from the outside — especially considering Fesenko didn't exactly tear it up against mostly non-NBA talent.

Fesenko only ended up getting action in three of his country's six European relegation games. He played 20-plus minutes in the first two games, but his participation quickly diminished. He logged only nine minutes in the third game, didn't get off the bench in the fourth contest and wasn't even with the team for the final outings against Estonia and the Czech Republic.

Asked if Fesenko had a dispute with his national team or if he bolted after being benched, the agent responded: "No, not at all." Rather, Lash claimed the real reason for Fesenko's early exit from Ukraine's team wasn't hastily made in the heat of the moment.

"He had a family thing to attend to and the team was playing some younger players, so it was kind of mutually agreed upon," Lash said. "... And just with his schedule, wanting to get back here and getting ready for the (NBA) season, it was something we had kind of spoken about ahead of time."

Though he missed the summer league and didn't exactly shine with Ukraine — aside from a 13-point, seven-rebound outing against Hungary — Lash believes Jazz brass and fans should be encouraged about Fesenko's future.

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