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So I found some links.

ww.caves.org/grotto/timpgrotto/Timothy%20H_%20Heaton%20Crystal%20Ball%20Cave.htm

https://ojs.lib.byu.edu/ojs/index.php/wnan/article/viewFile/2032/2379





While the man at the cave, who is the grandson of George Sims who discovered the cave, emphatically stated that they found large "horse" bones when they first opened the large chamber behind the cave-fall barrier that covered the front of it, the study states that it is doubtful these bones are anything but recent. . . . and then goes on to do the radiocarbon dating on the bones dragged into the cave by woodrats scavenging the desert. . . . and found them to be horse bones from 19000 YBP. Years before Present. The cave-in apparently was before humans entered the area, around 13000 YBP.

So I guess we have a choice. We can call science as we've been taught it in our schools hogwash, or maybe just go on wondering if anyone actually knows anything.

or, well, . . . . maybe . . . . . read real science and learn to ask questions before accepting conclusions. . . . .

I know this very well.. very well.
Either way, it's enough to call this argument against the Book of Mormon "bunk".

there were horses here before the colonists brought them over, maybe just a few, or in just some areas, but they were here. At least at Gandy Mountain.

Not saying you're right or wrong, but I'll say you appear to be seeing what you want to see (through religious eyes) more than you reach in your 'normal' life.

We should do lunch one day to talk about these historical preguntas.
 
My concern isn't about money. My concern is that I remember how awesome the farm, the creeks, were.. the quality of life, for me, was immeasurable. I am scared that my expectations for how much my kids will embrace that same experience will fall way short.. that somehow I have already done an injustice to my kids, my priority 1, by not introducing these root fundamentals early enough.

I am afraid I've let them down.

while I can see this as a passing thought or maybe a continuing emotion. . . . let me disabuse you in regard to these concerns.

my father was a scientist who jetted around the country inspecting and instructing laboratory managers for a major military-industrial-complex/mega corporate entity with interests in everything from raw materials to space technology, who maybe on five occasions took the boys out on some mountains to gather pine nuts. While his father had been a "dirt-poor farmer" with land but no cash, and had offered the farm to dad on easy terms, and my mom had nixed the idea with some extremely uninhibited rant about how could we ever afford it when bobby needs shoes and danny needs pants, it didn't cure me.

when I was twenty five I tried to get dad to become partner/investor with me in buying a farm for $120,000. Twenty years later I bought a farm in the same area for $160,000 myself. While my dad had told me I wasn't a farmer, and was right, when I did it with my own money all of a sudden he decided maybe I wasn't a know-nothing after all, and even my brothers began to get concerned he'd leave some of his millions to me. When he died in 2000, the farm I would have bought for 120K was on the market for about what his estate was worth. . . . my place was a small outlier nobody could make a living from, but the one I had wanted had some excellent water rights and today is about forty times the productivity that my place is.

But, as far as rural life goes, it is the intent of our government/managers to run the stupid little people off the land and give it back to the wolves and buffalo, while the useful eaters toil under the urban castle governance staff's evil eyes. You can't touch the little creek and take a drink, or leave a footprint in the mud. If you want your kids to know anything about nature, you're gonna just hafta find a place to make yer stand.
 
while I can see this as a passing thought or maybe a continuing emotion. . . . let me disabuse you in regard to these concerns.

my father was a scientist who jetted around the country inspecting and instructing laboratory managers for a major military-industrial-complex/mega corporate entity with interests in everything from raw materials to space technology, who maybe on five occasions took the boys out on some mountains to gather pine nuts. While his father had been a "dirt-poor farmer" with land but no cash, and had offered the farm to dad on easy terms, my mom had nixed the idea with some extremely uninhibited rant about how could we ever afford it when bobby needs shoes and danny needs pants, it didn't cure me.

when I was twenty five I tried to get dad to become partner/investor with me in buying a farm for $120,000. Twenty years later I bought a farm in the same area for $160,000 myself. While my dad had told me I wasn't a farmer, and was right, when I did it with my own money all of a sudden he decided maybe I wasn't a know-nothing after all, and even my brothers began to get concerned he'd leave some of his millions to me. When he died in 2000, the farm I would have bought for 120K was on the market for about what his estate was worth. . . . my place was a small outlier nobody could make a living from, but the one I had wanted had some excellent water rights and today is about forty times the productivity that my place is.

But, as far as rural life goes, it is the intent of our government/managers to run the stupid little people off the land and give it back to the wolves and buffalo, while the useful eaters toil under the urban castle governance staff's evil eyes. You can't touch the little creek and take a drink, or leave a footprint in the mud. If you want your kids to know anything about nature, you're gonna just hafta find a place to make yer stand.

I look forward to meeting you. It's obvious we see things very similarly. Eerily similarly.
 
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What does my recent posting frenzy and this girl have in common?
Can't believe no one got this. Her name was Six on the series she co-starred in (Blossom). And I had six posts in a row with no one else commenting in between.
 
Can't believe no one got this. Her name was Six on the series she co-starred in (Blossom). And I had six posts in a row with no one else commenting in between.

well, I tried googling her, and did find out her name was Six in the series. . . . but I read what a fast talker she is when she lets loose, and made that the connection somehow. . . .

how come every cute little girl with a pic like this turns out to be a mean-lookin' world-weary douche at nineteen?
 
You are treading into my expertise here.. I have been an avid archaeologist/anthropologist for 35 years .. 4 generations. Not sure we should discuss.

OK. .. .. don't be sure. We can debate whether or not we should for a couple of pages. . . . .
 
well, I tried googling her, and did find out her name was Six in the series. . . . but I read what a fast talker she is when she lets loose, and made that the connection somehow. . . .

how come every cute little girl with a pic like this turns out to be a mean-lookin' world-weary douche at nineteen?
Speaking of fast talkers, my wife used to watch the Gilmore Girls when that was on. That series gave me a headache just trying to keep up with the conversations. It was like listening to an auctioneer for 1/2 hour.
 
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