Longest Thread Ever

[Stifle Tower]

Looks like just the 3 of us in here right now. I'll step out and read the game thread so the two of you can spend some quality time together.

 

[babe]

Money

I'd have to opine it goes deeper than that. . . . into "education" as some accept it to be. . . . conditioning of a sociologicial / pathological kind, like Pavlov's dogs for example. . . . to just bend over for the Bigs.

 

[Dr. Jones]

Speaking of fast talkers, my wife used to watch the Gilmore Girls when that was on. That series gave me a headache just trying to keep up with the conversations. It was like listening to an auctioneer for 1/2 hour.

That's funny.. I hate tv, but would watchttith my wife sometimes because I appreciated the writing.

 

[Dr. Jones]

I'd have to opine it goes deeper than that. . . . into "education" as some accept it to be. . . . conditioning of a sociologicial / pathological kind, like Pavlov's dogs for example. . . . to just bend over for the Bigs.

We'd have to agree to disagree, generally. I think these folks get taught that spreading the wealth is far better to lining their pockets... and as archaic as it is.. it's effective.

 

[babe]

Speaking of fast talkers, my wife used to watch the Gilmore Girls when that was on. That series gave me a headache just trying to keep up with the conversations. It was like listening to an auctioneer for 1/2 hour.

gotta hand it to th' girls, I say. My wife usually lets me say about a word or half a word before she butts in and heads off to the races on some other subject. . . .

 

[babe]

We'd have to agree to disagree, generally. I think these folks get taught that spreading the wealth is far better to lining their pockets... and as archaic as it is.. it's effective.

nah. I go at things different. I disagree about the necessity of agreeing on anything. I want to hear someone else's idea, and maybe I'll even tell someone my own.

 

[babe]

Looks like just the 3 of us in here right now. I'll step out and read the game thread so the two of you can spend some quality time together.

well, read the game thread if you like, but you're welcome here too.

 

[Dr. Jones]

nah. I go at things different. I disagree about the necessity of agreeing on anything. I want to hear someone else's idea, and maybe I'll even tell someone my own.

Cool.. so I think Hollywood doesn't generally think that deeply. It's siiiimple.. spread the wealth.. more people can buy tickets.

 

[babe]

We'd have to agree to disagree, generally. I think these folks get taught that spreading the wealth is far better to lining their pockets... and as archaic as it is.. it's effective.

OK, so "these folks" are not yet homogenized, well. . .. . speaking in terms of still having some unique personal attributes. . .. the ones you know might not be the ones I know. Look, when I meet folks I don't just do some kind of personal take-down. I do triage sociologically and just try to find some way to learn something from them, and wait until they ask, and then carefully consider their set points and tolerances, before speaking. . . . not at all like in here where I'm just the rowdy who's having fun.

some "folks" are altruistic and do intend to use their means to some imagined good end. . . . others are in fact quite the opposite, and set up 'charities' for oblique agendas aimed at putting the world in their pockets. . . . lined or not.

 

[babe]

Cool.. so I think Hollywood doesn't generally think that deeply. It's siiiimple.. spread the wealth.. more people can buy tickets.

maybe.

but the wealth they want to spread might not be theirs. . . . say maybe. . . . the government's in their view. . .. so more people can buy tickets.

 

[babe]

Just sayin'. . . .

somehow I slipped past Colton on the Rep scales, and in about ten more contributions here, I'll be "Movin' on Up", past two more posters on the postcount chase.

 

[babe]

@#26 on rep presently, and closing in soon on position #51 on the count. Candrew and Siromar being the ones whose posting may catch up with me if I do another road trip. . . .

 

[Stifle Tower]

Thanks to some rapid-fire posts in this thread and Buckner, it looks like I'll stay ahead of Dutch for at least another week.

 

[babe]

Thanks to some rapid-fire posts in this thread and Buckner, it looks like I'll stay ahead of Dutch for at least another week.

Is he really that active? I mean, that you couldn't match his rate with intelligent, reasoned explanations of Jazz management and coaching?????

 

[babe]

Thanks to some rapid-fire posts in this thread and Buckner, it looks like I'll stay ahead of Dutch for at least another week.

and yah. . . . I'm beginning to see where some of the people I'm trying to pass up are still in here and doing something. . . .

 

[babe]

So, though I've scared PKM into hiding because I taunted his profession I suppose, I'd like to haul him back in here sometime soon to discuss the Shivwits and the legends of Shinob Kibe.

 

[babe]

GGGGGOOOOOOOOOOAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Not that this stand will last because the two posters I just passed are both fairly active.

 

[babe]

horses. well, not just horsecrap, but real horses.

The anti-Mos have had it for a couple of centuries, with all the hoopla about how the Spanish lost some horses around Santa Fe or SoCal, and how there were no horses in the New World when the Europeans came here. The Book of Mormon allegedly says something about horses. The Mahonri Moriancumr subs didn't have horses, no? Lehi didn't have horses, no? But they said something, about once, in supposedly a thousand years of history about horses, no? Not one cowboy in the whole Book. The bones of little equines about two feet high are acknowledged in pre-historic American finds. Is that what got translated as "horses" ????

There is a cave I know about, on the shorelines of Lake Bonneville on the west side of Utah. . . . Gandy Mountain. . . . where the BLM hired some locals to re-open a caved-in front, where there was a huge overhang/entrance. The back side had a small worm hole that was only discovered about fifty years ago. The BLM workers found horse fossils, dated at 10,000 years old, of full-sized horses.

So here is Wikipedia on the subject of BofM horses:

Horses are mentioned eleven times in the Book of Mormon in the context of its New World setting.[31] There is no evidence that horses existed on the American continent during the 2500-3000 year history of the Book of Mormon (2500 BC - 400 AD) The only evidence of horses on the American continent dates to pre-historic times,[32] (between 12,500 and 10,000 BC.[33]). It is widely accepted that horses were extinct in the Western Hemisphere over 10,000 years ago and did not reappear there until the Spaniards brought them from Europe.[34] Horses were re-introduced to the Americas (Caribbean) by Christopher Columbus in 1493[35] and to the American continent by Cortés in 1519.[36][37]
See also: Quaternary extinction event
Mormon apologists argue the following to deal with this supposed anachronism:
Mormon apologist John L. Sorenson at FARMS claims that there is fossil evidence that some New World horses may have survived the Pleistocene–Holocene transition,[38] though these findings are disputed by mainstream archaeologists.[39]
Mormon apologist Robert R. Bennett suggests that the word "horse" in the Book of Mormon may have referred to a different animal, such as a tapir.[40]

While reasonable people can vary in their estimates of importance and significance based on a few passing references to horses, I note that there are no calvary units in the wars described in the Book of Mormon,and no messengers racing between cities on horseback, and no mention of plowing fields using animals in harness. Nothing at all similar to either the cowboy culture of the West, or the carts and wagons used in the early American settlements.

Early explorers in the Great Basin named Skull Valley that because there were some large skulls scattered on the desert around some springs sixty miles west of Salt Lake City, in 1845. With the aid of some translators in the company, the question was raised with the Indians, the goshute band. The Indians described something we would suspect as being wooly mammoths within their living memories, and a hard winter when there was snow in the valley perhaps ten feet deep. The mammoths froze, and the indians ate them.

fairly recent extinction events in the Great Basin include the camel and the sabre-toothed tiger. Indeed, anthropologists studying prehistoric America make it out as a very inhospitable place for humans with significant populations of bears and wolves as well.

The above article from Wikipedia does not claim there were not horses here at all before recent times, but that there was an extinction event presumed to be uniform across two continents around ten thousand years ago, maybe thirteen thousand years ago, coinciding with the end of the last Ice Age, incidentally.

The claim of New World extinction is a pretty stiff claim, and with obviously some possible questions. OK, let's list the places where there has been a careful study of artifacts with radiocarbon dating, and place them on the maps. See any holes? And then, if the the animals were scarce or perhaps unusual and worthy of notice as such, and not of general abundance or even being used in daily life. . . .. well, it's like somebody looking for Lion bones in modern America to substantiate a claim that we had circuses going around the country with a caged lion act.

 

[nightmare3983]

At the moment this thread is longer than the Buckner thread. Crazy.

 

[Dr. Jones]

I don't consider the non-existence of pre-columbian horses in NA as a means to discredit the BofM. I have no dog in the fight nor would I care to disprove a faith-based belief.

My interest is purely academic.

Just wanted to be sure that was understood before any additional conversation.