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Favors the odd man out

r_u_s_t_b_u_c_k_e_t said:
Favors has two competent finishes already tonight.
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Favors with 2 nice finishes.... 1 missed midrange jumper which looked good and went in and out..... and one offensive foul that was a bad call
 
GVC said:
The discussion the OP introduced was about cost v. impact. Favors will get paid, just like JaVale McGee and DeAndre Jordan got paid. Will Favors' inevitable payday hamstring the Jazz? Does his impact warrant a $10mm+ per year contract?
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It's not even that I don't want Favors on this team or don't think he's worth what will inevitably be an 8 figure contract.

This is more an inquiry into if the Jazz could snt Jefferson/Sap + Favors + draft picks or some combo to get a huge upgrade at a smaller spot. Then they'd replace 60-75% of Favors' production on defense and possibly improve 150% on offense. It's a value proposition based on how free agency works.
 
fishonjazz said:
like i said, most of us see his offensive struggles but what do you say about franklins claim that favors shoots 30 percent from midrange, 24 percent in the paint, and 48% from the field overall?
Dont you agree that he is trolling a bit and kind of just bashing favors with statements like that?

Favors is not great on offense, bad even..... so is chandler, but i think he is kinda valuable in the nba, especially if kanter, burks, hayward and the other players on the team are able to score.
Frank seems to suggest just getting rid of him cause he struggles offensively in a crappy offense that is not suited to him as a 21 year old who has never been given alot of opportunity to shine.
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If you're done being a jackass about it, the numbers came from NBA.com's advances stats page. GVC already asked if the restricted area was excluded, which I acknowledged with a compliment to Favors' strengths. If you were paying attention.
 
franklin said:
It's not even that I don't want Favors on this team or don't think he's worth what will inevitably be an 8 figure contract.

This is more an inquiry into if the Jazz could snt Jefferson/Sap + Favors + draft picks or some combo to get a huge upgrade at a smaller spot. Then they'd replace 60-75% of Favors' production on defense and possibly improve 150% on offense. It's a value proposition based on how free agency works.
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Now this post makes some sense.... should have led with it.
 
franklin said:
It's not even that I don't want Favors on this team or don't think he's worth what will inevitably be an 8 figure contract.

This is more an inquiry into if the Jazz could snt Jefferson/Sap + Favors + draft picks or some combo to get a huge upgrade at a smaller spot. Then they'd replace 60-75% of Favors' production on defense and possibly improve 150% on offense. It's a value proposition based on how free agency works.
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I think you far undervalue a big that is respectable on offense and great on defense. I don't think his contribution is as easy to replace as you seem to think.
 
franklin said:
If you're done being a jackass about it, the numbers came from NBA.com's advances stats page. GVC already asked if the restricted area was excluded, which I acknowledged with a compliment to Favors' strengths. If you were paying attention.
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I was not really being a jackass.... I mean come on if I posted that someone shoots 24 percent from the paint, 30 percent from midrange, and 48 percent from the field (and does not take 3 pointers) then you would think it was a little strange as well right?
 
franklin said:
It's not even that I don't want Favors on this team or don't think he's worth what will inevitably be an 8 figure contract.

This is more an inquiry into if the Jazz could snt Jefferson/Sap + Favors + draft picks or some combo to get a huge upgrade at a smaller spot. Then they'd replace 60-75% of Favors' production on defense and possibly improve 150% on offense. It's a value proposition based on how free agency works.
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So yes if we could trade favors and a combination of others and draft picks for LeBron then this thread makes lots of sense....
Instead you started out the thread with "Favors is getting schooled in every facet of the game. He's even more of a liability on the offensive end as Jefferson is on D.

Corbin needs to give up on this silly offensive development experiment. It's maddening watching Favors attempt to dribble. The FO should either accept that he's a defender with little offensive upside a la Noah/Chandler/Camby or the Jazz must trade him before his value plummets.

Embarrassing PnR, can't guard the post -- another run of the mill defensive "athletic" big about to get paid way more than he's worth. No need to get DeAndre'd. Please shop him KO'Lindsey. "

Basically just trashing favors.
 
fishonjazz said:
I was not really being a jackass.... I mean come on if I posted that someone shoots 24 percent from the paint, 30 percent from midrange, and 48 percent from the field (and does not take 3 pointers) then you would think it was a little strange as well right?
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I am with you on this one fish. Posting those numbers with no other qualifier is very misleading. Just think though, he must be shooting like 80% at the rim to be making up that much ground. If he works like millsap did, by year 7 he will be the most efficient scorer in the league! I am referencing that Millsap has steadily taken his range out a foot or two each offseason. That is one thing we undervalue about Millsap on this board, btw.
 
fishonjazz said:
So yes if we could trade favors and a combination of others and draft picks for LeBron then this thread makes lots of sense....
Instead you started out the thread with "Favors is getting schooled in every facet of the game. He's even more of a liability on the offensive end as Jefferson is on D.

Corbin needs to give up on this silly offensive development experiment. It's maddening watching Favors attempt to dribble. The FO should either accept that he's a defender with little offensive upside a la Noah/Chandler/Camby or the Jazz must trade him before his value plummets.

Embarrassing PnR, can't guard the post -- another run of the mill defensive "athletic" big about to get paid way more than he's worth. No need to get DeAndre'd. Please shop him KO'Lindsey. "

Basically just trashing favors.
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Trolololololol..


If I'm going to be an armchair GM on a fan board then I should be forward looking and see both sides. This includes accepting the negative aspects of your knight in shining armor.

Do you think DeAndre has as much value as Favors? I don't. What do you do when Favors gets that contract and puts up equivalent numbers? Get over it and get ahead of that.
 
franklin said:
Trolololololol..


If I'm going to be an armchair GM on a fan board then I should be forward looking and see both sides. This includes accepting the negative aspects of your knight in shining armor.

Do you think DeAndre has as much value as Favors? I don't. What do you do when Favors gets that contract and puts up equivalent numbers? Get over it and get ahead of that.
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You talk of seeing both sides of something...... I see his offensive struggles, but look at your original post in this thread. It only emphasizes the negative aspects of favors game..... You just bashed him in the OP.... No mention of his good attributes or things that he has improved on in his young career.
 
I've seen enough Clipper games this year to say without hesitation or homerisms that Favors is already much better than DJordan. That was the funniest suggestion in this funny thread.
 
NAOS said:
I've seen enough Clipper games this year to say without hesitation or homerisms that Favors is already much better than DJordan. That was the funniest suggestion in this funny thread.
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But but but favors will never be able to dunk over Brandon knight.... And he only shoots 30% better on free throws than deandre Jordan. So you are obviously wrong and favors is a ball of poop.
 
Ok ok. I guess I agree now tht favors sucks. Only 10 points on 5/7 shooting with seven rebounds. It took him fifteen minutes to get that, and he had a turnover. What a waste of a roster spot.
 
franklin said:
Favors is getting schooled in every facet of the game. He's even more of a liability on the offensive end as Jefferson is on D.

Corbin needs to give up on this silly offensive development experiment. It's maddening watching Favors attempt to dribble. The FO should either accept that he's a defender with little offensive upside a la Noah/Chandler/Camby or the Jazz must trade him before his value plummets.

Embarrassing PnR, can't guard the post -- another run of the mill defensive "athletic" big about to get paid way more than he's worth. No need to get DeAndre'd. Please shop him KO'Lindsey.
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Sandy Braille said:
Wasn't franklin the dude who made the Kwame Kanter thread-- talking about how we should trade Kanter while he still has some trade value-- only to have Kanter whoop *** a couple weeks after its conception???


franklin is onto something. Keep up the threads, frank. +4.
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