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The Official Lets Give Corbin Till Midway through Next Year before we Hate on him thread

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Maybe we are slightly too critical of Corbin. Not saying for sure, but maybe he deserves a little more credit. Just look at what he has to work with.
Mo-No one really wants him as a starter
Foye-Only can shoot. not much else to offer night in night out. Good dude though
Hayward-Stud, not a number on option or even a #2 option on a contending team
Millsap-Undersized. Can't beat anybody one on one.
Jefferson -biggest defensive liability for a starter the game has ever seen. Al Jefferson gives up more layups than beatown gives out neg reps. good guy though
Favors-Great on the defensvie end and should play more, but still a project offensively.
Kanter-Only started to come into hos own a month or so ago
Watson-haha
Tinsley-He can pass, but in the words of Austin Powers "That's... about... it.
Marvin-Haha okay. He play good defense and rebounds but there is a reason the Hawks traded him. Let's be honest
Burks-Erratic. Still needs to get better. Plays defense well and rebounds at the PG spot

We have no player in the top 60 in the NBA guys. No player in the top 60!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Maybe Corbin is learning how to coach and is doing well thus far.
Also, Our PG play has been turrible!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
PG play=bottom 5 in the league
Also, Not many coaches are put in the difficult situation he has been put into. He has been commisioned by KOC and Lindsey to win while rebuilding. If he were to bench AL or Millsap or cut their minutes a lot and give those minutes to Kanter and Favors , i would think it would repel players from signing with us even more and we would have no chance at the playoffs cause i think AL and SAp would be disengaged.
How many games would Scotty Brooks win with this group?
Doc Rivers?
Phil Jackson?
Larry Brown?
I think we should give Corbin till midway through next season before we call for his Job. Hevean knows the FO will.
 
Wow, I thought I was being harsh in my post on the other thread, but ...WOW...

I'll give Corbin two more years, one to deal with the new team that will have likely the core four and a bunch of rookies with the only veterans being bench players; and then one more to see how he polishes the team.

Yeah guys, we are going to lose a lot next year especially if neither Millsap or Al are on the team. Not because Favors and Kanter don't have talent, but because they will have rookies coming off the bench behind them. We aren't downgrading our starting lineup, we are losing our deep bench and it's hard to win that way.

(Rookies or Marvin and Evans. Not sure which is worse.)
 
All fan-bases around the league irrationally blame their coach. This roster is an 8th-seed-tops roster no matter who's coaching, no matter who we play. We can argue about should the rookies be playing vs the vets, but another coach wasn't taking this team anywhere.

If you bash Corbin for everything, you'll compromise any legit criticisms of him, and there are legit criticisms. I'm not sure Corbin's our long-term coach, but i'm willing to give him a chance. It's not like he's working with a great roster. He's working with an uneven, slapped-together roster and an outdated basketball philosophy, which he inherited.

Look: we can fire him. Fine. But let's give the million It's ALL Corbin's Fault threads a rest. Our team has been playing well lately. They played well last night, and lost to the second best team in the league. Oh well.
 
I do think that this board is too hard on Corbin. The biggest problems I have with Corbin are the lineups that he puts out there and the players he relies on- particularly Al.
However, this is mainly due to the roster that we have and KOC has given him a hard task of winning now and rebuilding as well as a roster that is all mediocre in the depth charts except Hayward. I blame the organization as much as I do Ty.
 
cctrackstar said:
Wow, I thought I was being harsh in my post on the other thread, but ...WOW...

I'll give Corbin two more years, one to deal with the new team that will have likely the core four and a bunch of rookies with the only veterans being bench players; and then one more to see how he polishes the team.

Yeah guys, we are going to lose a lot next year especially if neither Millsap or Al are on the team. Not because Favors and Kanter don't have talent, but because they will have rookies coming off the bench behind them. We aren't downgrading our starting lineup, we are losing our deep bench and it's hard to win that way.

(Rookies or Marvin and Evans. Not sure which is worse.)
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So you think our bench will be all rookies except evans and marvin? They have craploads of cash to spend and I guarantee they spend it on some vets
 
OK, Vets. Who's available that will come here? And who do we bench to let them start? We already have a vote for Chris Paul. Man, that would be ironic, seeing as we passed on him in the draft. Does he leave LA to come here? Yeah, it's the Clippers but they are deep in the playoffs and he fits his team perfectly. Are there other top flight point guards that are better than Mo? I can't think of any that are free agents. Do the Jazz trade? Who? I guess they could try to send a pick, but who wants mid first round picks for quality players? Anyone who we sign with our wonderful cap money who isn't a point guard either starts over a core four player or comes off the bench, (unless they are a vet, in which case......) I think the Jazz will use their wonderful cap space to pick up future assets and bad contracts from desperate teams who want to get under the cap. That means 2014 or later draft picks which doesn't help us next year. Mind you, I like the looks of the 2014 draft but again; we will lose a lot next year.
 
I don't think the results of this team are why people are angry or frustrated with Corbin. At least for me, that's how I feel. Corbin's win-loss record this year doesn't really matter that much to me.

The main things that are frustrating me are:

1) Our style of play. It's gotten better as of late, which is nice to see, but it's still not that great. Our defensive rotations and schemes are garbage, and we never seem to have that many guys cutting through the lane for open layups. We have plenty of players who are capable of doing so in Hayward, Burks, Williams and Carroll...we just aren't doing it.

2) Corbin's seemingly refusal to play the young guys. I do like how he's making them earn their play, but dammit, these guys need to be able to play if we want to see them develop.

Oh, and Al Jefferson is most definitely a top 60 player in the NBA. We may be frustrated by his defense, but we can't forget that his offensive skills are elite. To say that he's not top 60 is showing a definite bias.
 
The Jazz can easily outbid the Clippers cash wise.
One of the best moves the front office ever made was to make sure the vets all came off of their contracts at the same time, while the core 4 still remained with the team.
I guess it would be up to weather Paul would come to Utah or not.

My next pick would be Jose Calderon.
 
All this hate on Corbin is amusing when the guy just made very dramatic offensive adjustments that gave the Jazz a shot at winning an unwinnable game. There was no way the Jazz were going to beat this OKC team that's fighting for the number one seed, but Tyrone Corbin made mods from the last game and gave them a run for their money.
 
batman said:
maybe we are slightly too critical of corbin. Not saying for sure, but maybe he deserves a little more credit. Just look at what he has to work with.
Mo-no one really wants him as a starter
foye-only can shoot. Not much else to offer night in night out. Good dude though
hayward-stud, not a number on option or even a #2 option on a contending team
millsap-undersized. Can't beat anybody one on one.
jefferson -biggest defensive liability for a starter the game has ever seen. Al jefferson gives up more layups than beatown gives out neg reps. Good guy though
favors-great on the defensvie end and should play more, but still a project offensively.
Kanter-only started to come into hos own a month or so ago
watson-haha
tinsley-he can pass, but in the words of austin powers "that's... About... It.
Marvin-haha okay. He play good defense and rebounds but there is a reason the hawks traded him. Let's be honest
burks-erratic. Still needs to get better. Plays defense well and rebounds at the pg spot

we have no player in the top 60 in the nba guys. No player in the top 60!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Maybe corbin is learning how to coach and is doing well thus far.
Also, our pg play has been turrible!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Pg play=bottom 5 in the league
also, not many coaches are put in the difficult situation he has been put into. He has been commisioned by koc and lindsey to win while rebuilding. If he were to bench al or millsap or cut their minutes a lot and give those minutes to kanter and favors , i would think it would repel players from signing with us even more and we would have no chance at the playoffs cause i think al and sap would be disengaged.
How many games would scotty brooks win with this group?
Doc rivers?
Phil jackson?
Larry brown?
I think we should give corbin till midway through next season before we call for his job. Hevean knows the fo will.
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but i dun wanna!
 
Hal said:
1) Our style of play. It's gotten better as of late, which is nice to see, but it's still not that great. ...and we never seem to have that many guys cutting through the lane for open layups. We have plenty of players who are capable of doing so in Hayward, Burks, Williams and Carroll...we just aren't doing it.
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There's so much wrong with this. You have to have penetration in order to have cutters for layups. The Jazz have very little of that, even with Mo Williams who can but is not the best at it. Hayward is coming along nicely here, as was showcased to my amusement last night, but is inconsistent and seriously lacks confidence in his own decision making. His stop and pop is garbage and he gets into trouble a ton when driving. He gets bailed out by fouls a lot but teams are adjusting and not being so aggressive with him since he's likely to miss from the field.

Burks can't penetrate and create for others. He has very few moves in his repertoire aside from charging straight in and leaping around players.

If you want drive and dish then you need good PnR players, which Corbin is doing an excellent job of developing.


Hal said:
2) Corbin's seemingly refusal to play the young guys. I do like how he's making them earn their play, but dammit, these guys need to be able to play if we want to see them develop.
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Favors has gotten 20+ minutes for three seasons. He doesn't need more court time to develop. Kanter is raw and is not going to get minutes over useful vets. Burks sucked for the first 40 games and only an idiot would have played him before breaking his bad habits.


Hal said:
Our defensive rotations and schemes are garbage
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Which specific sets are garbage?
 
cctrackstar said:
OK, Vets. Who's available that will come here? And who do we bench to let them start? We already have a vote for Chris Paul. Man, that would be ironic, seeing as we passed on him in the draft. Does he leave LA to come here? Yeah, it's the Clippers but they are deep in the playoffs and he fits his team perfectly. Are there other top flight point guards that are better than Mo? I can't think of any that are free agents. Do the Jazz trade? Who? I guess they could try to send a pick, but who wants mid first round picks for quality players? Anyone who we sign with our wonderful cap money who isn't a point guard either starts over a core four player or comes off the bench, (unless they are a vet, in which case......) I think the Jazz will use their wonderful cap space to pick up future assets and bad contracts from desperate teams who want to get under the cap. That means 2014 or later draft picks which doesn't help us next year. Mind you, I like the looks of the 2014 draft but again; we will lose a lot next year.
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You were saying our bench is just gonna be rookies and evans and marvin.
Why cant the jazz spend money on a bunch of older average players in the mold of elton brand to be our bench?
 
franklin said:
You have to have penetration in order to have cutters for layups.
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That's not necessarily true. With good passing, movement, and screens you can find openings in the defense.

I'm actually alright with our offensive play as of late, when the team has been passing and moving. What I hate is when we resort to A: throw the ball to Al and sit there, B: throw the ball to Millsap and sit there, and C: Don't throw the ball to anybody and watch Mo dribble out the clock and take a wild jumper. At this point, I'm not sure if that comes down to coaching or if it is the players refusing to follow the gameplan. That's why I'd like to see Corbin for a year without Sap, Jefferson, and Mo (or at least only one of them).
 
I want Ty gone because he can't manage players, not because he can't win games. A couple of weeks ago someone asked Ty why Tinsley didn't play, Ty said b/c Tinsley was hurt. Tinsley said he wasn't hurt. Yesterday Corbin said Favors was scared when he came to Utah. When Favors was asked about it, he said he wasn't scared, he was mentally exhausted.

wtf is that?
 
Strutter said:
That's not necessarily true. With good passing, movement, and screens you can find openings in the defense.

I'm actually alright with our offensive play as of late, when the team has been passing and moving. What I hate is when we resort to A: throw the ball to Al and sit there, B: throw the ball to Millsap and sit there, and C: Don't throw the ball to anybody and watch Mo dribble out the clock and take a wild jumper. At this point, I'm not sure if that comes down to coaching or if it is the players refusing to follow the gameplan. That's why I'd like to see Corbin for a year without Sap, Jefferson, and Mo (or at least only one of them).
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Yeah, but most of that requires highly complex offensive schemes that tend to take years to implement. The Jazz could run a whole lot more of those fanatic Reggie/Ray Allen/Korver plays but they a) don't have a play maker to bail them out if it doesn't work, and b) don't really have a shooter capable of running like that or a runner capable of shooting like that.

I personally loved the pnr drive-dish offense last night. The Jazz have been pretty bad at creating good scramble situations but there weren't any issues getting easy dunks last night. A lot of that was Hayward's attacking.
 
Why give him more time when we already know he's not the right guy going forward?
This notion of giving a unproven guy more time just doesn't happen in today's NBA. When you
go backward, or show minimal improvement you are probably fired.

Can him gracefully after the season, and begin the search for our guy.
 
The reason you fire Ty is obvious. He is not a leader. He does NOT get the most out of his players. His rotations are borderline mentally challenged. The vets do not fear him, they know if they play half assed nothing will happen to them. The excuses that everyone keeps making up for him are turrible.
 
nateboz said:
The reason you fire Ty is obvious. He is not a leader. He does NOT get the most out of his players. His rotations are borderline mentally challenged. The vets do not fear him, they know if they play half assed nothing will happen to them. The excuses that everyone keeps making up for him are turrible.
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Haha. +1 I laughed at borderline mentally challenged
 
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