Boston Marathon explosions......

[Stoked]

Supplimenting FBI Data from 1950-2005 Saying only 6% of Terrorist Attacks Were Committed by Muslims, Europol Released a Report Saying From 2006-2008, Less Than .5% Attacks Were Committed by Muslims.

https://www.loonwatch.com/2011/11/updated-europol-data-less-than-1-of-terrorist-attacks-by-muslims/

Another "argument" from siro dismantled.

If anyone is a pro in getting their arguements dismantled it is you.

 

[Siro]

Supplimenting FBI Data from 1950-2005 Saying only 6% of Terrorist Attacks Were Committed by Muslims, Europol Released a Report Saying From 2006-2008, Less Than .5% Attacks Were Committed by Muslims.

https://www.loonwatch.com/2011/11/updated-europol-data-less-than-1-of-terrorist-attacks-by-muslims/

Another "argument" from siro dismantled.

As usual, you're parroting what someone told you without reading the source material yourself.

I looked up the Duke study mentioned in that article.

In
the eight years following 9/11, according to our project’s
count, 139 Muslim-Americans committed acts of terrorism-related violence or were prosecuted for terrorism-related offenses that involve some element of violence. This level of approximately 17 individuals per
years is small compared to other violent crime in American, but not insignificant. Homegrown terrorism is a
serious, but limited, problem.

Yes, the number of homegrown Muslim American terrorists is small compared to the total number of violent crimes! Um, okay. Good for them? But that has nothing to do with the relative prevalence of terrorism among Muslims. Additionally, the 6% figure that loonwatch.com website gives is nowhere to be found in the study, or the FBI link they gave. Not even the pie chart is on the page they cite. So I'm not sure how to respond to that.

Now let's look at actual numbers that are relevant to the discussion.

https://www.webcitation.org/query?u..._NCTC_Annual_Report_Final.pdf&date=2012-08-04

That's the Homeland Security's report on global terrorism.

Africa experienced 978 attacks in 2011, an 11.5 percent increase over 2010. This is attributable in large
part to the more aggressive attack tempo of the Nigeria-based terrorist group Boko Haram, which
conducted 136 attacks in 2011—up from 31 in 2010.

The Near East and South Asia suffered 7,721 attacks and 9,236 deaths. The majority of those occurred in
just three countries—Afghanistan, Iraq, and Pakistan—which, together, accounted for 85 percent of
attacks in these regions and almost 64 percent of attacks worldwide. While attacks in Afghanistan and
Iraq decreased from 2010 by 14 and 16 percent, respectively, attacks in Pakistan increased by 8 percent.1

Sunni extremists accounted for the greatest number of terrorist attacks and fatalities for the third
consecutive year. More than 5,700 incidents were attributed to Sunni extremists, accounting for nearly
56 percent of all attacks and about 70 percent of all fatalities. Among this perpetrator group, al-Qa‘ida
(AQ) and its affiliates were responsible for at least 688 attacks that resulted in almost 2,000 deaths, while the
Taliban in Afghanistan and Pakistan conducted over 800 attacks that resulted in nearly 1,900 deaths.
Secular, political, and anarchist groups were the next largest category of perpetrators, conducting 2,283
attacks with 1,926 fatalities, a drop of 5 percent and 9 percent, respectively, from 2010.

Suicide attacks rose from 264 in 2010 to 279 in 2011. In spite of the increase, this represents a sharp
drop from the five-year peak of 520 suicide attacks in 2007. Sunni extremists conducted 93 percent of
suicide attacks.

Over 12,000 people were killed by terrorist attacks in 2011. The overall number of victims killed,
however, decreased 5 percent from 2010. More than half of the people killed in 2011 were
civilians and 755 were children. Although terrorism deaths decreased, the number of government
representative and security force fatalities increased significantly. Muslims continued to bear the brunt of
terrorism, while attacks targeting Christians dropped nearly 45 percent from a five-year high in 2010

Shall I go on, or do you need some time to reformulate your defense of the terrorists?

 

[Stoked]

As usual, you're parroting what someone told you without reading the source material yourself.

I looked up the Duke study mentioned in that article.



Yes, the number of homegrown Muslim American terrorists is small compared to the total number of violent crimes! Um, okay. Good for them? But that has nothing to do with the relative prevalence of terrorism among Muslims. Additionally, the 6% figure that loonwatch.com website gives is nowhere to be found in the study, or the FBI link they gave. Not even the pie chart is on the page they cite. So I'm not sure how to respond to that.

Now let's look at actual numbers that are relevant to the discussion.

https://www.webcitation.org/query?u..._NCTC_Annual_Report_Final.pdf&date=2012-08-04

That's the Homeland Security's report on global terrorism.











Shall I go on, or do you need some time to reformulate your defense of the terrorists?

I feel that the comment above is unfair. He is defending Mulsims, even if he is very ineffective, and not terrorists. 1 does not always equal the other.

 

[Siro]

I feel that the comment above is unfair. He is defending Mulsims, even if he is very ineffective, and not terrorists. 1 does not always equal the other.

Then why does he keep justifying terrorism by using the excuse of century old occupations? And why does he continue to deny that terrorism is a serious problem for Muslim countries? All those tens of thousands killed each year don't deserve to at least be acknowledged? He even denies that Bin Laden was motivated by Islam! I've already explained my feelings toward the idea that ideology and those who follow it being separate. I don't want to keep repeating myself. TBS should admit that Islam suffers from a terrorism problem. Enough denialism.

 

[Stoked]

Then why does he keep justifying terrorism by using the excuse of century old occupations? And why does he continue to deny that terrorism is a serious problem for Muslim countries? All those tens of thousands killed each year don't deserve to at least be acknowledged? He even denies that Bin Laden was motivated by Islam! I've already explained my feelings toward the idea that ideology and those who follow it being separate. I don't want to keep repeating myself. TBS should admit that Islam suffers from a terrorism problem. Enough denialism.

You know what he is trying to do, defend Muslims. Yes he sucks at it and is an idiot. But don't stoop to his innaccuracies when proving him wrong.

 

[Beantown]

Are there any retards still out there that believe the bombing was "faked" or a government conspiracy?

 

[PearlWatson]

The supposed rationality of Liberalism/Darwinism is as dangerous as the supposed irrationality of Islam. They are both enemies to our Judeo-Christian America.

On Rationality and "scientism":

Assigning the development of human reason to a non rational process like natural selection ends up undermining our confidence in reason itself. After all, if reason is merely an unintended byproduct of a fundamentally non rational process then what grounds do we have for regarding its conclusions as objectively true. -C.S. Lewis
Even Darwin himself questioned whether the conclusions of a mind developed by Darwinian process could be trusted.

 

[The Black Swordsman]

You know what he is trying to do, defend Muslims. Yes he sucks at it and is an idiot. But don't stoop to his innaccuracies when proving him wrong.

He didn't prove any of my "inaccuracies" wrong. He is simply ignoring factual data. Only someone as simple minded and inferior intellectually as you would think I am an idiot and he is proving me wrong. You two probably agree with each other so much since you watch fox news. The FBI data added up the total amount of terrorist data and Islamic terrorist was less then .5% for 3 years. I already linked a Harvard paper on Islamic violence saying it is less than Christian violence. Siromar simply ignores all the facts and creates a fantasy world in his mind were all his lies are correct.

 

[MVP]

The supposed rationality of Liberalism/Darwinism is as dangerous as the supposed irrationality of Islam. They are both enemies to our Judeo-Christian America.

Now this is just plain silly.

 

[The Black Swordsman]

Now this is just plain silly.

Of course it is silly Islam is not irrational.

 

[MVP]

Of course it is silly Islam is not irrational.

of course you got it all wrong - rationality of Liberalism/Darwinism is not dangerous to anybody. It is the same like saying, hey truth can be dangerous, lets keep everybody in the dark and delusional to stay happy.

 

[Siro]

He didn't prove any of my "inaccuracies" wrong. He is simply ignoring factual data. Only someone as simple minded and inferior intellectually as you would think I am an idiot and he is proving me wrong. You two probably agree with each other so much since you watch fox news.

I'm ignoring the data that I myself quoted, and which you did not even read?

And really, if everyone thinks you're an idiot because your genius confounds human comprehension, at least try to follow through with a single "argument" you make. I promise, you'd feel a lot less embarrassed than you do at the moment. At least we'll think you're honestly trying to understand the world you live in. But as it stands, you're just a sad little boy who really wants to debate with grown ups, but doesn't yet know how to be taken seriously.

Edit: Oh, and I'm done with you. I ignored you for a few months before, but then I decided to see if you've evolved in any way. You haven't. So see you in a few months.

 

[Stoked]

He didn't prove any of my "inaccuracies" wrong. He is simply ignoring factual data. Only someone as simple minded and inferior intellectually as you would think I am an idiot and he is proving me wrong. You two probably agree with each other so much since you watch fox news. The FBI data added up the total amount of terrorist data and Islamic terrorist was less then .5% for 3 years. I already linked a Harvard paper on Islamic violence saying it is less than Christian violence. Siromar simply ignores all the facts and creates a fantasy world in his mind were all his lies are correct.

You Sir an idiot. You ignore relevant questions and examples any time you cannot come up with an answer. It also has been shown in this thread that you do not read the sources you are using and they often contradict your premise. I do not think you are even Muslim.

Do not talk to me again, please.

 

[The Black Swordsman]

I'm ignoring the data that I myself quoted, and which you did not even read?

And really, if everyone thinks you're an idiot because your genius confounds human comprehension, at least try to follow through with a single "argument" you make. I promise, you'd feel a lot less embarrassed than you do at the moment. At least we'll think you're honestly trying to understand the world you live in. But as it stands, you're just a sad little boy who really wants to debate with grown ups, but doesn't yet know how to be taken seriously.

Edit: Oh, and I'm done with you. I ignored you for a few months before, but then I decided to see if you've evolved in any way. You haven't. So see you in a few months.

Of course you are done with me janitors can only handle talking amongst intellecutials for so long before they find themselves completely dumbfounded. Go back to your dust bunnies.

You simply ignored all FBI data and the Harvard paper I linked you. Your only sources are case by case examples. You completely failed and are probably really humilated by now. You probably are used to the humilation by now so it shouldn't take you that long to recover so better luck next time.

 

[The Black Swordsman]

You Sir an idiot. You ignore relevant questions and examples any time you cannot come up with an answer. It also has been shown in this thread that you do not read the sources you are using and they often contradict your premise. I do not think you are even Muslim.

Do not talk to me again, please.

I am sorry I made a complete fool of you for using my facts and strong sources while you had nothing intellectually to say back. It is ok hopefully you will read some books or something and develop intellectually so you aren't completely humiliated in the future like Siromar was.

 

[PearlWatson]

Of course it is silly Islam is not irrational.

notice "supposed"

of course you got it all wrong - rationality of Liberalism/Darwinism is not dangerous to anybody.

Timothy McVeigh: "Science is my religion"

 

[PearlWatson]

 

[MVP]

https://ca.news.yahoo.com/british-islamists-jailed-al-qaeda-suicide-bomb-plot-125817580.html

wonder what religion where these terrorists... mormons? pagans? luterons? maybe atheists?

 

[The Black Swordsman]

https://ca.news.yahoo.com/british-islamists-jailed-al-qaeda-suicide-bomb-plot-125817580.html

wonder what religion where these terrorists... mormons? pagans? luterons? maybe atheists?

Ya give specific case by case examples of events. Blatant cherrypicking. I provided a Harvard Paper saying Muslims were less violent than Christians and FBI data saying Muslims caused less than .5% terrorism within span of 3 years.

 

[MVP]

Ya give specific case by case examples of events. Blatant cherrypicking. I provided a Harvard Paper saying Muslims were less violent than Christians and FBI data saying Muslims caused less than .5% terrorism within span of 3 years.

Since you obviously have selecting reading issues I will repost Siro's data:

That's the Homeland Security's report on global terrorism.

Africa experienced 978 attacks in 2011, an 11.5 percent increase over 2010. This is attributable in large
part to the more aggressive attack tempo of the Nigeria-based terrorist group Boko Haram, which
conducted 136 attacks in 2011—up from 31 in 2010.
The Near East and South Asia suffered 7,721 attacks and 9,236 deaths. The majority of those occurred in
just three countries—Afghanistan, Iraq, and Pakistan—which, together, accounted for 85 percent of
attacks in these regions and almost 64 percent of attacks worldwide. While attacks in Afghanistan and
Iraq decreased from 2010 by 14 and 16 percent, respectively, attacks in Pakistan increased by 8 percent.1
Sunni extremists accounted for the greatest number of terrorist attacks and fatalities for the third
consecutive year. More than 5,700 incidents were attributed to Sunni extremists, accounting for nearly
56 percent of all attacks and about 70 percent of all fatalities. Among this perpetrator group, al-Qa‘ida
(AQ) and its affiliates were responsible for at least 688 attacks that resulted in almost 2,000 deaths, while the
Taliban in Afghanistan and Pakistan conducted over 800 attacks that resulted in nearly 1,900 deaths.
Secular, political, and anarchist groups were the next largest category of perpetrators, conducting 2,283
attacks with 1,926 fatalities, a drop of 5 percent and 9 percent, respectively, from 2010.
Suicide attacks rose from 264 in 2010 to 279 in 2011. In spite of the increase, this represents a sharp
drop from the five-year peak of 520 suicide attacks in 2007. Sunni extremists conducted 93 percent of
suicide attacks.
Over 12,000 people were killed by terrorist attacks in 2011. The overall number of victims killed,
however, decreased 5 percent from 2010. More than half of the people killed in 2011 were
civilians and 755 were children. Although terrorism deaths decreased, the number of government
representative and security force fatalities increased significantly. Muslims continued to bear the brunt of
terrorism, while attacks targeting Christians dropped nearly 45 percent from a five-year high in 2010