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Following potential 2013 draftees

PKM said:
Not disagreeing.. at all.

What about that one IU guy that's known to be clutch?
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Are initials ok? CW? I'm sure he is higher on KOC's list than any of ours being a good system player. He could probably stand in the corner as well as Marvin and knock down a higher percentage of his threes. 7'0" wingspan well above average for a SF as well.
 
Guys that the Jazz might get with their first round picks - maybe one falls to their second round pick but probably not.
Mason Plumlee, Olynyk, CJ McCollum, Giannis, Schroeder, Steven Adams, Dieng, Karasev, Green, Withey, Kabongo, Archie Goodwin, Wolters.

I bolded the guys that jump out to me as maybe special (if anyone could be called special in this draft).
I'm kinda cooling on Giannis. He looks a little slow. I feel better about the bolded guys.

I don't mind the idea of getting another big for the bench. I think there are guys suited to that role, meaning they seem to have a decent shot at being a pretty good big off the bench. Which is valuable. Just dunno which ones I like better. Their respective strengths/weaknesses all kinda bleed into an equal vanilla. Maybe that's why if the Jazz do grab a big I'm leaning towards getting him with the 21st pick rather than the 14th, as some have wondered about. I think I like CJ, Schroeder, and Goodwin all better than Green, Kabongo, or Wolters.

Goodwin might be had at 21.
If the Jazz got either CJ or Schroeder with the 14th, would I want Goodwin at 21 or a big (Adams, Dieng, Withey)?
 
The Jazz had the worst PGs in the league last year. I think CJ or Schroeder are likely on the menu at #14. The only question is whether Schroeder is really on the same tier as other players available at 14. There's also an elephant in the living room here in that Michael Carter-Williams may be available at #14, and I'm mildly concerned that the Jazz might actually take him.

Then we can just wait and see who's there at #21. There will be a few interesting players on the board. Yes, Goodwin could be there, but I'd doubt it. Giannis could be there. Karasav could be there, and he could be special as a floor spacer. I think Erick Green could be an impact player off the bench a la Leandro Barbosa. I do think Wolters has a chance to be a decent pro. The only knock is lack of athleticism, but he makes up for quite a bit with his craftiness and IQ. I think to myself that if Ricky Rubio is athletic enough to get by, why not Wolters? There's a chance that Dario Saric slips to 21, and I wonder if he's worth taking there. Many options.

I'd like to get a read on Norvel Pelle. He was once a top-5 college recruit, has some physical similarities with Keving Garnett, but he never played in college? Does he have mental midget syndrome?
 
Catchall said:
The Jazz had the worst PGs in the league last year. I think CJ or Schroeder are likely on the menu at #14. The only question is whether Schroeder is really on the same tier as other players available at 14. There's also an elephant in the living room here in that Michael Carter-Williams may be available at #14, and I'm mildly concerned that the Jazz might actually take him.
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Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!
 
Xthren said:
Vermin said:
why do t you think he is not an nba player. scouts and gms are coming away impressed with his work ethic and what he can do. I will take the opinion of scouts first.
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He just looks extremely slow and mechanical to me and those players rarely translate anymore. I am also very pessimistic about this draft as most are, but I really believe we are finding ourselves liking players we would not blink at most years.
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Catchall said:
The Jazz had the worst PGs in the league last year. I think CJ or Schroeder are likely on the menu at #14. The only question is whether Schroeder is really on the same tier as other players available at 14. There's also an elephant in the living room here in that Michael Carter-Williams may be available at #14, and I'm mildly concerned that the Jazz might actually take him.
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MCW or Schroeder - take whoever's available, I'd be happy with either. They're both above average passers. MCW beats you with length, gives you defense with his long arms. Schroeder beats you with speed, gives you defense with his quick feet. They're both young and hungry.

I'm sure either one will be a significant upgrade to Mo/Earl/Tins.
 
Hotttnickkk said:
MCW or Schroeder - take whoever's available, I'd be happy with either. They're both above average passers. MCW beats you with length, gives you defense with his long arms. Schroeder beats you with speed, gives you defense with his quick feet. They're both young and hungry.

I'm sure either one will be a significant upgrade to Mo/Earl/Tins.
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Not sure how anyone can be sure any PG this draft is an upgrade over Mo.. sans Burke.
 
Hotttnickkk said:
Anyone who doesn't pull up for a jumper on a fast break with nobody under the basket is an upgrade over Mo.

Good enough?
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When mired in mediocrity, I want change. I want change for the sake of change.. even if it ultimately proves not an upgrade. I just tire of expecting better results from the same personnel and plan.

That's good enough.
 
Hotttnickkk said:
MCW or Schroeder - take whoever's available, I'd be happy with either. They're both above average passers. MCW beats you with length, gives you defense with his long arms. Schroeder beats you with speed, gives you defense with his quick feet. They're both young and hungry.

I'm sure either one will be a significant upgrade to Mo/Earl/Tins.
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Hotttnickkk said:
Anyone who doesn't pull up for a jumper on a fast break with nobody from our team under the basket is an upgrade over Mo.

Is it just me or does it seem like kkk thinks this is a deep draft. He has the feel of a kid in a candy store.

Me, I'm sooooo bitter. Why in the hell can't we have two firsts in a deep draft? I've decided I'm on strike. Trade both picks this year for an unprotected pick next year. Who's with me?
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I'd hate to have a top 3 pick this year but looking bright side there are some players I'm intrigued by where we're picking. What little I've seen of Schroeder has my attention. Same with CJ. But I know little. Ignorance makes the heart grow fonder.
 
PKM said:
When mired in mediocrity, I want change. I want change for the sake of change.. even if it ultimately proves not an upgrade. I just tire of expecting better results from the same personnel and plan.

That's good enough.
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PKM this is how i am looking at this draft.

1st draft some one that can maybe become a full time starter.
2nd a valuable role player
3rd some one that will be a legit back up in the NBA.

That is what i want. If the picks can become one of those it is a win.
 
Xthren said:
PKM this is how i am looking at this draft.

1st draft some one that can maybe become a full time starter.
2nd a valuable role player
3rd some one that will be a legit back up in the NBA.

That is what i want. If the picks can become one of those it is a win.
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Most value we can get out of this draft is to use these picks to get another pick next year, and draft Canaan in the second round.
 
Xthren said:
PKM this is how i am looking at this draft.

1st draft some one that can maybe become a full time starter.
2nd a valuable role player
3rd some one that will be a legit back up in the NBA.

That is what i want. If the picks can become one of those it is a win.
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I like that. You don't lock in on a specific player and therefore avoid the awkwardness of booing the newest Jazz Man because you really wanted someone else. What a terrible way for a player to be introduced to the fans of his new team.

Ever since the 2009 draft I have been trying to look at the draft differently so that I can cheer for my team and welcome the new player. I think your strategy is brilliant.
 
I'm fine with trading out if this draft in order to get an extra next year, but so are most teams. This is a buyer's market in that regard.
 
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