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Also in the topic of Goodwin, Michael Beasley is more talented and more of a mismatch threat and he can't stick because he plays like a dumbass. I see more Beasley in Goodwin than I see Wade.

But then again, in this junk draft, at 21? Maybe. I can think of a few players off the top of my head that I'd rather have (there, or anywhere [Reggie Bullock, even]).
 
Also in the topic of Goodwin, Michael Beasley is more talented and more of a mismatch threat and he can't stick because he plays like a dumbass. I see more Beasley in Goodwin than I see Wade.

But then again, in this junk draft, at 21? Maybe. I can think of a few players off the top of my head that I'd rather have (there, or anywhere [Reggie Bullock, even]).
He's not a dumbass like Beasley.. he just over-penetrates and tries too hard. I've been hard on him but he is only a freshman.. not ready to doom him forever.
 
He's not a dumbass like Beasley.. he just over-penetrates and tries too hard. I've been hard on him but he is only a freshman.. not ready to doom him forever.

Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand so was Beasley. The story isn't written, but you have to be concerned with stupid play. Especially if Cal is as good of a coach as he's supposed to be.

Do you have ANY info one way or another as to if Cal didn't want Archie back?
 
Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand so was Beasley. The story isn't written, but you have to be concerned with stupid play. Especially if Cal is as good of a coach as he's supposed to be.

Do you have ANY info one way or another as to if Cal didn't want Archie back?

Yes. Cal advised he come back because he needed another year. lol
 
Yes. Cal advised he come back because he needed another year. lol

Geez, that's an almost bigger indictment than being pushed out (understanding that Cal's modus operandi is to get guys into the league and considering how little he's need Goodwin in the upcoming year).
 
Geez, that's an almost bigger indictment than being pushed out (understanding that Cal's modus operandi is to get guys into the league and considering how little he's need Goodwin in the upcoming year).

Don't disagree.

I'm not really saying anything other than he's just a freshman, works his off, and cares about the team and winning.
I just wanted to be sure my comments about him being a knucklehead throughout the season were taken in context.. as a critical fan.

I wouldn't touch him at 14 but would think he could be a steal at 21.
 
Don't disagree.

I'm not really saying anything other than he's just a freshman, works his off, and cares about the team and winning.
I just wanted to be sure my comments about him being a knucklehead throughout the season were taken in context.. as a critical fan.

I wouldn't touch him at 14 but would think he could be a steal at 21.

I agree with the last statement
 
I have a shower boner for Glen Rice. If he can improve defensively (stands up out of a defensive stance way too much), the dude will be a beast role player in the NBA. I would consider taking him 21st actually. His red flags are concerning, but he seems to have matured in a short time and he dominated the D-League Finals. He would be a great player off the bench wing to have that could push the pace, finish in transition, and hit 3's.
 
I would have been thrilled to take Isaiah Austin at #14. I think he could have been our next Thurl Bailey, only better. Him dropping out was a huge blow.


Separate topic--from what I can gauge of Norvel Pelle in his limited interviews, he just doesn't have it mentally. I'd love to see a kid like that from Compton make it in the league, but the chances aren't great.
 
Regarding Goodwin, I'm trying to look at things from his perspective. He's a top recruit in 2012. He buys in to the Kentucky promise of elite preparation for the NBA and making a deep tournament run. Virtually the entire NCAA championship team turns over from the year before. He gets there and the team turns out to be a huge disappointment. Yes, everyone's young, but the team just isn't that well put together. There's no PG. The bigs don't score the ball. They have maybe one or two shooters. No one replaces the role that Michael Kidd-Gilchrist played. They don't run plays or pass the ball well. There's no floor balance. The whole team concept is to defend aggressively and push in transition, but only a few of the players can even do that. Archie is asked to take on a big role in running the offense, he gets criticized when he can't make it work, and now somehow it's Archie's fault that UK has a bad season.

Meanwhile, a guy like Victor Oladipo settles in at Indiana, he plays alongside solid talent and solid coaching, he makes some good plays, and all of a sudden he's a top-5 pick. If I were Goodwin, I might flip off UK and enter the draft too. Archie had a bad experience at UK, and I think a large part of it is Calipari's fault. Despite everything, he's still projected as a mid first-round pick. So why go back to UK?

Edit: Comparing Goodwin to Oladipo, Goodwin is taller, faster, younger, has just as much energy/motor, is a better slasher, and has better offensive instincts in general.
 
Regarding Goodwin, I'm trying to look at things from his perspective. He's a top recruit in 2012. He buys in to the Kentucky promise of elite preparation for the NBA and making a deep tournament run. Virtually the entire NCAA championship team turns over from the year before. He gets there and the team turns out to be a huge disappointment. Yes, everyone's young, but the team just isn't that well put together. There's no PG. The bigs don't score the ball. They have maybe one or two shooters. No one replaces the role that Michael Kidd-Gilchrist played. They don't run plays or pass the ball well. There's no floor balance. The whole team concept is to defend aggressively and push in transition, but only a few of the players can even do that. Archie is asked to take on a big role in running the offense, he gets criticized when he can't make it work, and now somehow it's Archie's fault that UK has a bad season.

Meanwhile, a guy like Victor Oladipo settles in at Indiana, he plays alongside solid talent and solid coaching, he makes some good plays, and all of a sudden he's a top-5 pick. If I were Goodwin, I might flip off UK and enter the draft too. Archie had a bad experience at UK, and I think a large part of it is Calipari's fault. Despite everything, he's still projected as a mid first-round pick. So why go back to UK?

Archie sucks. He couldn't do what Oladipo did. He had plenty of players on his team to play fine. He was part of the problem.

The reason he is still a projected mid-1st rounder is that:
A.) It isn't the strongest draft class, especially for SG's
B.) Perceived high potential players are allowed one underwhelming year. They will still get the benefit of the doubt that they are actually what they were projected to be coming from HS. If they come back and do it again though, people face reality.

He is smart for leaving. He would just get buried in the rotation next year and continue to put up ****ty % with broken *** shot and weak frame.
 
I have a shower boner for Glen Rice. If he can improve defensively (stands up out of a defensive stance way too much), the dude will be a beast role player in the NBA. I would consider taking him 21st actually. His red flags are concerning, but he seems to have matured in a short time and he dominated the D-League Finals. He would be a great player off the bench wing to have that could push the pace, finish in transition, and hit 3's.

Interesting. I liked what I saw from GR2 as well. I also thought "New Age Battier" with him. He needs to work on his defensive stance.

If I knew he would improve his defense than I take him at 21, laughing at all the other team. Currently he is deserving of early 2nd round consideration.
 
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