5 year old kills 2 year old sister... with a birthday present.

[Stifle Tower]

If it's possible, yes. But it goes beyond just people who may or may not snap, emotionally. A big part of the problem is how we treat each other. Everyone contributes, one way or the other.

We need to stop being so mean and impatient. Stop neglecting. Stop bullying.

We are reaping the fruits of our behavior.

Unfortunately, the mental health system in this country is woefully inadequate. Not saying we must go back to the days of forcibly incarcerating a ton of people in institutions, but that may be the case for some. My wife in the ER deals with the dregs of society every day. Many are in their state because they refuse help, refuse to take meds to help them manage their conditions, but beg for meds that will help them escape the consequences of their decisions - i.e. strong narcotics and painkillers.

 

[Stoked]

If it's possible, yes. But it goes beyond just people who may or may not snap, emotionally. A big part of the problem is how we treat each other. Everyone contributes, one way or the other.

We need to stop being so mean and impatient. Stop neglecting. Stop bullying.

We are reaping the fruits of our behavior.

I agree but I also see the opposite side as the case as well, as you pointed out. Stop condoning/excusing aggressive and/or reckless behaviour.

 

[Qman]

Sympathize with both sides of the debate, looking for middle ground.

Psychos everywhere, but just imagine what would have happened if this guy had a gun.

EDIT: Broken link, sorry.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wo...ller-decapitated-man-then-ate-his-organs.html

He might have shot someone and ate them?

 

[Qman]

I believe you would significantly decrease fatalities. Even single life saved is a win in my book.

And an increase of the number of rapes, etc. A woman with a gun is the equal of any man. Without it a 95 pounds petite woman against a 200 lbs man has no real chance.

 

[Nate505]

This was all in the wikipedia article I linked to earlier. You could at least read stuff after you ask for it. Befoe 1996, there were several mass shootings in a relative short period of time. After 1996, there have been none. Australian culture did not turn on a dime in 1996. Yes, the laws prohibited things. Yes, it worked.

No, it wasn't all in the article. There were a few mass shootings in that time, but that was not the question asked. There were multiple questions that I wondered aloud, none of which you answered, the major questions being how many criminals have guns in the country and how often are they to use them brazenly. In this country shootings are extremely common in the inner cities. How common are they in the inner cities of Australia. Heck, do the inner cities of Australia in general even compare to the cities here crime wise, before and after these bills were passed.

 

[Nate505]

If he doesn't need the gun, and he can be arrested just for having the gun and have his business impacted and his product lost, he'll leave the gun at home. Even "g-homie dog"s dealing crack are more interested in making money than making a statement.

Of course, perhaps you have some experience with parts of East St. Louis that I don't know about?

His business is something he can be arrested for in the first place, so the idea that he'll forgo another thing to get arrested for isn't all that logical, particularly when the other thing has a utility value that drug dealers tend to value (ie protection from other gangbangers, robbers, etc.).

 

[Nate505]

You guys are strange. You see the problem, agree that people in your country are getting killed by firearms way more then in other developed countries ( lets not talk about Honduras, Jamaica, Gwatemala or Swazilend), yet you do not want to change anything to improve it. All you do is crying about your constitutional rights to carry a gun.
Let me ask you this - how do you feel when you visit other countries where you can't have gun? Feel unsafe and scared? Looking over your shoulder all the time? I am very interested to know.

It depends. If I were visiting the Honduras' of the world hell yes. The Sweden's of the world? Probably not.

Now the US is a special case because we have metro areas like Chicago where you can experience the worst of Honduras and the best of Sweden all within 10 or so miles of each other. One of the worst areas I've ever seen in any city is a mile or so west of the lake near the Museum of Science and Industry in Chicago. You go 15 miles or so west from there and you're in Naperville, which as far as I know has very little crime and is one of the safer suburbs I've ever seen.

How many other countries can boast such a different dichotomy? Where you can be in a city that has nearly 20 murders per 100,000 people (and I'm guessing in the neighborhood I was talking about, that number is higher than say the neighborhood near Wrigley Field) and go 10-15 miles to another suburb that has never gone about 1.5 in the past 12 years?

 

[One Brow]

And an increase of the number of rapes, etc. A woman with a gun is the equal of any man. Without it a 95 pounds petite woman against a 200 lbs man has no real chance.

Most rapes happen in circumstances where women won't be armed, because she knows/trusts the rapist.

 

[One Brow]

No, it wasn't all in the article. There were a few mass shootings in that time, but that was not the question asked. There were multiple questions that I wondered aloud, none of which you answered, the major questions being how many criminals have guns in the country and how often are they to use them brazenly. In this country shootings are extremely common in the inner cities. How common are they in the inner cities of Australia. Heck, do the inner cities of Australia in general even compare to the cities here crime wise, before and after these bills were passed.

Are you asking me to do your research? If I answer those questions, will there be new ones?

 

[One Brow]

His business is something he can be arrested for in the first place, so the idea that he'll forgo another thing to get arrested for isn't all that logical, particularly when the other thing has a utility value that drug dealers tend to value (ie protection from other gangbangers, robbers, etc.).

It's a lot harder to hide a gun from observation than a few small bags.

Again, is any of this based on what you have seen?

 

[moevillini]

So, does anyone think the parents (in the original post, whose 5 year old son accidentally killed his sister) should still be allowed to purchase firearms without any additional restrictions?

I know I do. If I made the laws, they would probably be just the type of people I would like to see have to go through at least a few extra hoops before they are allowed to buy a gun.

 

[MVP]

And an increase of the number of rapes, etc. A woman with a gun is the equal of any man. Without it a 95 pounds petite woman against a 200 lbs man has no real chance.

She would do just fine with gas gun.

 

[Stoked]

It's a lot harder to hide a gun from observation than a few small bags.

Again, is any of this based on what you have seen?

It might be harder than hiding bags but that does not mean it is hard. A weapon can be very easily hidden on a person with nothing more than every day clothes. Hell there are even clips to attach a snub nose .38 to a woman's bra. You cannot even tell it is there.

 

[Stoked]

So, does anyone think the parents (in the original post, whose 5 year old son accidentally killed his sister) should still be allowed to purchase firearms without any additional restrictions?

I know I do. If I made the laws, they would probably be just the type of people I would like to see have to go through at least a few extra hoops before they are allowed to buy a gun.

I would be open to discussion about penalties for gun carelessness.

 

[MVP]

So, does anyone think the parents (in the original post, whose 5 year old son accidentally killed his sister) should still be allowed to purchase firearms without any additional restrictions?

I know I do. If I made the laws, they would probably be just the type of people I would like to see have to go through at least a few extra hoops before they are allowed to buy a gun.

I hope any gun related negligence would result in loss of privilege of having one. Or at least suspension for 3-5 years or so... If we can suspend right to drive the car after DUI or repeated driving offenses why not do the same with gun?

 

[Stoked]

I hope any gun related negligence would result in loss of privilege of having one. Or at least suspension for 3-5 years or so... If we can suspend right to drive the car after DUI or repeated driving offenses why not do the same with gun?

That depends on what happened, how it happened and what the intended consequence would be.

 

[MVP]

So you agree that there should be some kind of punishment?

 

[reignman40]

https://ca.news.yahoo.com/blogs/dai...ccidentally-shot-5-old-brother-174645172.html

Not sure what is more idiotic. USA gun laws

Give me a break. I have been shooting a .22 since I was 4 or 5. I have never pointed a gun where I didn't want it. You have to teach your kids not to play with them and also lock them up or hide the bullets.

 

[The Black Swordsman]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_cities_by_crime_rate

Sort on murder rate. You'll notice above Chicago are cities in Missouri, Michigan, Florida, Maryland, Gerogia, Tennesee, etc., all of which allow concealed carry.

I really wonder if you could write stupider posts, sometimes.

But Chicago has a higher murder rate than other cities that do allow concealed carry. You ignore those cities but do not ignore the few cities that do have a higher crime rate. Also I notice how once again you are linking wikipedia as you are a wikipedia scholar/psuedointellectual. The vast majority of cities that allow concealed guns have far fewer crimes and murder than Chicago. It is ok One Brow, hopefully when you are 12 or 13 years old you will develop some sort of rationality and will not be so easily humiliated and defeated in debate.

 

[reignman40]

He as well put other people in danger. What if crazy guy with knife would have attacked him? Did he have necessary training to act right in that situation? Did he even knew how to use the gun properly? What if he would have shot innocent people by accident? Who would be to blame?
I again would blame state which allows random dudes to cary the guns in the middle of the day in regular store.

Cops have shot and killed more people by accident than any concealed carrying citizen . Actually the numbers are quite staggering.