As I said, I'd be open to the discussion of it at least.
5 year old kills 2 year old sister... with a birthday present.
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As I said, I'd be open to the discussion of it at least.
mellow
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What punishment could society possibley inflict on the 5-yr old or his parents that is worse than the consequenses they are already living? What benifit would society gain from enforcing more punishment?
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reignman40
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What are you going to do? Go to millions of peoples homes and collect hundreds of millions of guns??? Drugs are illegal but people get them anyway. Guns will be no different might as well let people have them to protect themselves.
Yes you need training to carry a concealed weapon. Last month utah stopped a law preventing that. IMO was a great thing to do. I don't want random people hiding and carrying a gun without training. I have no problem taking the class and getting that training. Responsible people with guns are not the problem.
reignman40
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But if it takes guns out off the hands of 100 responsible people that still makes it ok?
MVP
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I still do not understand the need for guns for all those responsible people. Is daily american life so dangerous that you need a gun in 88% of households? I get it if you work some night shifts in downtown of big city or live in bad area, but for average Joe Smith somewhere in Hayden, Idaho - why would he need a gun???
The Black Swordsman
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"This country has a mental health problem disguised as a gun problem and a tyranny problem disguised as a security problem" - Joe Rogan
Age insults? That is the best that you can come up with? An age insult? Sweet Lord Jesus. These damn, no good, lazy, slack jawed, inbred, hillbilly, ignorant, cave dwelling, chromosome missing, no opposable thumb having, nut missing, fake, lying, gutter sniping, trolling, jealous, son of a motherless goat posters.
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MVP
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Even most responsible people can make fatal mistakes. Having so many guns is just asking for problems, thats why it keeps USA at the top of the world in firearm related death/injuries.
In 2008 there were 680 accidental shooting deaths in the United States, with more than 15,500 shooting injuries. Most disturbing, perhaps, is the number of children involved in accidental shootings. Every day approximately five children are injured or killed on a nationwide basis as a result of handguns. The primary cause of youth-involved shooting rests with the fact that children find loaded handguns in the home – and natural curiosity leads them down the road to disaster.
Each year approximately 100 people are injured or killed while cleaning a firearm and failing to exercise proper caution.
^That just screams for better control. How to do it? Not sure I can answer that.
That's the rub, isn't it? Even if the answer was taking away all the guns (I don't believe it is) how do you do it? It is truly an impossible task.
This is why we need to stop this pissing match about gun rights and start talking about how to regain our civility.
So, you point is that concealed carry doesn't matter? My point is that this type of data, without looking at confounding factors, reveals nothing. tomayto, tomahto.
Are you claiming the data is wrong? Would the same data have been more convincing if I linked to the sources wikipedia links to? Are you just trying to cover up your failure to produce a cogent argument with irrelevant attacks?
The vast majority of cities that don't allow concealed carry have far fewer crimes and murder than Chicago.
Thanks for your encouragement.
Do you say the same thing when mothers drown their children? Or, are you only lenient when guns are involved?
Isn't it a shame you are continually out-argued by a bot? Some people would be embarrassed.
You mean, stop being humans?
So, it's OK to impose more consequences than regret only when there is intent?
No, I mean that waiting for humans to treat each other better is a fool's dream. It won't happen. Now, if you think the choice to limit guns in some fashion is counter-productive, than this is where we will stay. If you don't find that acceptable, we need to work for change that can be accomplished.
I don't care about it enough to research it myself. I do believe they are pertinent questions when establishing whether their gun control measures had any effect on crime there, or more importantly, what sort of effect they had.
Well there have been thousands of these guys arrested for possessing illegally obtained firearms, so yes, I don't think it's a stretch to believe they'll possess them if even more stringent gun control measures are enacted.
If it were up to me the only legal firearm would be a 9mm handgun with a 12 round capacity, and even then you would have to go through a thorough background check and mental heath evaluation and go to classes on how to shoot in order to get a license. I mean, if people need to protect themselves or their home, all they need is a handgun.
As for hunting rifles, just start renting them out and having ranges to get familiar with it before you go hunt. ****, I've shot with my uncles gun and it didn't take that long to get used to. Also, why in the hell did a FIVE year old need a hunting rifle?? I don't know where he lives or what the regulations are but I'm pretty sure a toddler isn't allowed to hunt anywhere.
Oh, and anyone spewing **** about the second amendment has a thumb up their *** and are completely ignorant to what the 2nd amendment actually means.
As for hunting rifles, just start renting them out and having ranges to get familiar with it before you go hunt. ****, I've shot with my uncles gun and it didn't take that long to get used to. Also, why in the hell did a FIVE year old need a hunting rifle?? I don't know where he lives or what the regulations are but I'm pretty sure a toddler isn't allowed to hunt anywhere.
Oh, and anyone spewing **** about the second amendment has a thumb up their *** and are completely ignorant to what the 2nd amendment actually means.
Please, enlighten us.