Darkwing Duck
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Did one of your mistakes as a juvenile involve killing a man?
Soccer referee in coma after being punched by unhappy teenager player.
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Did one of your mistakes as a juvenile involve killing a man?
Stifle Tower
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And that is PRECISELY why we need Obamacare. In fact, the govt. needs to go a step further...forced life insurance policies. Seriously, the league should have insurance to cover many of the costs. If they are a low-income family, the hospital may waive a lot of the expenses. Someone should be starting a memorial fund for this poor family. I'm not sure on the punishment for the teen. I do NOT think he should be tried as an adult. I also think previous history needs to be taken in to account. Is this the first time this teen has been arrested? But for an inch or two, a freak reaction to a punch, this teen would be facing simple assault charges, likely mandatory anger management classes and suspension from the league.
If this were a fight that would be one thing. Heck, if this stupid kid even pushed the ump and then socked him that would be one thing. And if this kid were smaller than the ump that would be one thing.
From what I've read, this "kid" (I use the term loosely when it comes to a 17 year old) was bigger than the ump. This kid cheap shotted him out of nowhere, thus giving the ump both no time to prepare for the hit so he could move (if he could move the impact of the hit would have been lessened and it may not have hit him in such a critical area). And this kid decided he was not only going to cheap shot the ref, but decided he was going to punch him in the head, which happens to be one of the worst areas you can punch someone.
So with all three of those factors, **** him. The odds of a piece of crap like that becoming a productive member of society are minimal.
From what I've read, this "kid" (I use the term loosely when it comes to a 17 year old) was bigger than the ump. This kid cheap shotted him out of nowhere, thus giving the ump both no time to prepare for the hit so he could move (if he could move the impact of the hit would have been lessened and it may not have hit him in such a critical area). And this kid decided he was not only going to cheap shot the ref, but decided he was going to punch him in the head, which happens to be one of the worst areas you can punch someone.
So with all three of those factors, **** him. The odds of a piece of crap like that becoming a productive member of society are minimal.
I haven't seen anyone concerned about the well being of the kid. Don't let that cause you to miss an opportunity to turn this into an R vs D thing though. That's why we love you!
You act like an oversized 17 year old knows how big and strong they are. Like this kid had murder on his mind when in the heat of the moment during a competition he got called for a foul (or whatever they call it in soccer) and swung on the ref.
YES IT ENDED IN THE DEATH OF THE REF. THE KID SHOULD BE PUNISHED.
THE KID. THE KID. THE KID.
How long you figure he's been the size he is? Anyone have any information that he's punched anyone else in the last year or so? But yet, a dumb (as all teenagers are dumb) oversized 17 year old soccer player supposedly knew that his impulsive punch was deadly. He's supposed to have an old man's sense of just how big he actually is when in reality he probably doesn't see himself realistically.
In high school I was on the newspaper. I wrote a count/counterpoint article with a girl I had a secret crush on. The article was about kids being charged as adults. I took the position that kids SHOULD be charged as adults for serious crimes. My points were that serious crimes had serious consequences for the victims and should also have serious consequences for the perpetrator. I argues that teenage kids know the difference between right and wrong, they know the crimes they are committing are wrong and they know that as a juvenile they'll likely got off easy even if they get caught. I argues that these "kids" were engaged in adult activities and adult crimes, they understood what they were doing and they deserved to be tried as adults. I was pretty sure I nailed the article.
Her response was essentially that as a society we owe our kids a childhood and an opportunity to make mistakes and learn from them. That kids needed a chance to grow up. That if we make the distinction between child and adult in every other part of society we needed to make the same distinction when it comes to justice.
Anyway. Take this kid out behind the woodshed and shoot him. I don't care. He's a murderer. He took a father and a husband away from his family forever. He's a violent menace to society.
Forgive me if I don't take any joy or solace from this kid's condemnation. I've never been one to revel in anyone's pain, no matter how vile they are. I'm jealous of those of you who find some sort of satisfaction in knowing that a person will be made to suffer. In this case possible for a very very long time, so even better.
Personally, I don't necessarily have qualms about charging a juvenile as an adult, but I don't know anything about this particular situation to make a blanket judgement in this case
but, it is well-documented that teen-agers' brains are not as fully developed as adults' brains, and that one of the last parts to develop is the part that controls impulsive behavior - that is certainly not an excuse for what this young man did, but is something that should be taken into account and is part of the reason the juvenile system exists at all
https://www.childrenshospital.org/dream/summer08/the_teenage_brain.html
but, it is well-documented that teen-agers' brains are not as fully developed as adults' brains, and that one of the last parts to develop is the part that controls impulsive behavior - that is certainly not an excuse for what this young man did, but is something that should be taken into account and is part of the reason the juvenile system exists at all
https://www.childrenshospital.org/dream/summer08/the_teenage_brain.html
The Thriller
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Have you even read this thread! Nearly everyone posting has written with concern about the kid. Whether he should be tried as an adult, whether he should receive a less severe sentence, whether he will become a productive member of society, etc.
To me, what does the law say? One man killed another man. So what's the law say?
Oh and your just love to turn this into a R v D debate, wouldn't ya? Libs love to make excuses for people. Which is why you can't stand this kid being held accountable for the murder he performed.
I'm a Lib all the sudden? Okay.
To me, the way society handles this murderer has an impact on society. It's not about the kid, it's about us and how we want to treat other people. I'm a firm believer that a society that treats anyone with cruelty becomes a society in which cruelty is acceptable. I don't subscribe to the notion that when criminals are cruel that in order to squash cruelty we must take brutal vengeance on the criminal. I just don't.
So this kid has committed his crime. He has been arrested. He is powerless against the rest of us. So now it's our choice. Who do we want to be?
LOL, performing a murder!!! Not the typical way to describe it, seems more usual to say that a murder was committed.
Though I guess it's ironic that we say a surgeon "performs" surgery!!!!
ah, linguistics
anyhow, carry on...
MoreFeasts
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This death and many thousands of others could have been prevented if the Gamefaces of the world were made to pay for their deeds after repeated assaults.
The world would be a much better place if the MoreFeats of the world did not make asinine statements.
Cool story.
MoreFeasts
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14 assaults
If he would have swung on the ref after the foul was called that would be one thing. He waited until the foul was called and waited until the ref was writing in his little book to record the foul and then punched him. And didn't punch him in the stomach, the sides, or anywhere else, but went for the head. At a moment where the ref couldn't even defend himself because he was using his hands to record a penalty.
I don't know if he had murder on his mind, but to me it's obvious he had the intent to hurt and waited for the moment where the ref was extremely vulnerable. And I don't think he should be charged with murder. To me manslaughter is the more appropriate charge, but he's getting charged with something that carries 5 years max in prison. I bet people who have grown weed in Utah have been sentenced to that.
What freaks me out more about this kid is the reason he punched the ref. The ref didn't attack him. The ref didn't insult his mother. The ref didn't even kick him out of the game. He gave him a yellow card, which isn't even all that uncommon or serious in a game of soccer. It would be like a high school basketball player going ballistic if a ref called a flagrant 1 on him. If something like that sets him off, yikes, he'd probably be likely to beat the crap out of a Burger King cashier who forgot to put pickles on his Whopper.
PearlWatson
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Thriller is playing his usual game of pretending to bat for the other team in order to get you guys to make his arguments for him.
NEVER forget that Thriller is a faithful Lib.
PearlWatson
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We want to be Psychopath Free!
PearlWatson
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I couldn't agree more.
18 is an arbitrary # for considering someone an adult. The brain is not fully formed until about 26. (So if you do pot during this time you seriously damage your ability to control your impulses) You can see this "cognitive chasm" in older individuals who admit to being potheads when they were younger.
Don't let your teen know that his/her brain is "superior" in some ways.
You liberals are so soft. Kids can't fight anymore, can't draw a picture of a gun at school, should get thrown in jail for minor mischief, can't discipline kids...
Yup, that's the conservative way of doing things. Just throw them all in prison and let 'em rot. We don't have enough people in jail already, in fact, the P.I.C. is losing money because of it.
If he would have warned the ref not to give him a foul or he'd punch him then it would have been okay. Didn't you read the thread? Making a mistake is only okay if you give verbal warning first. /sarc