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BTP said:
The part about the tape is definately made up by you. In the German BBL its mandatory to have at least 2 cameras recording the game. I would be surprised if interested teams wouldn't have it.
Teams have 32 League Games from this year, where he stood on the court over 800 min, or 25 mpg. Add to that 30 games from last year in which he averaged 8 mins. Additionally there is 3rd league footage of him from this and last year, where he avg'd 32.5 min in 31 games. I think that's plenty of footage to see development, strengths and weaknesses.

Regarding the workouts, I think scouts are well aware that he's first time away from home for that long to play ball. Coming into Hoop Summit I don't think he planned to declare this summer already for the draft. There's plenty of interviews where he states his plan to get drafted in 2014. But he took advantage of the situation and got scouts interested, who subsequently have probably watched every footage they could get about him.
But it changed the scenery for him. When the expectations rose after the Hoop Summit he definately had a different situation. When people speculate about you as being the most talented point guard in a draft and lottery pick that creates pressure. I wouldn't rule out that impacted his showings. The first Rockets workout was the beginning of his workout tour, like his dress rehearsal. He failed it reportedly. But if the Rockets have a real plan to get a draftpick why not a second showing? I wouldn't read too much into that except that the rockets seem very interested.
I'd be surprised if he fall that far given his potential. Player with higher uncertainty about their future have been drafted way higher. And NBA personal really likes dreaming. Compare it to Melo. Every fall there's like 15 articles how Melo got the perfect teammate over night who's unselfish and developed passing skills. Comes playoff time, Melo turns into a giant black hole. Every year. I'd be really surprised if Dennis is available at 20.
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Great Post & Welcome to our forum!!!
 
Guys... guys!!! Seems like Burke is slowly slipping down the draft board.. remember he was slated at around #15 mark before the NCAA tournament, then he rose quickly due to a couple of big shots. Ford thinks he's falling right now due to several unimpressive workouts:

Burke is in a similar position to McLemore. After riding an NCAA tournament run into the championship game, he's struggling right now to retain his momentum. He worked out for the Suns on Thursday and the Kings on Friday, but only did a solo workout -- refusing to go against Michael Carter-Williams and C.J. McCollum, the two other top-rated point guards. From what I can gather, the Kings' ownership is higher right now on Carter-Williams. If Burke gets past the Magic and Pelicans, he could be in for an unexpected slide on draft night.
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He sorta reminds me of Brandon Knight's rise when he went to the NCAA Finals, but then he refused to workout with Kemba, etc. On draft day Knight took an unexpected fall all the way to Detroit at #8, which I believe is the longest drop out of those supposed to go in the Lottery. (except may be Kawhii).

Below is a video of his Kings' workout.. pretty uninspiring if you ask me. He looked small. He looked slow. He could finish it at the rim at all. Kings had another workout the next day with MCW and McCollum, and I think that was a lot more exciting.

https://www.nba.com/kings/video/2013/06/07/TreyBworkoutmov-2502525
 
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BTW, if he falls past the Kings, we have to do everything we can go grab him guys. He's good value at that spot. He provides leadership. He's a solid 3pt shooter. He's a fighter and a warrior.

Remember, a star PG doesn't win Chips. We only need a solid floor general setting up other guys and hitting those 3's.
 
Hotttnickkk said:
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BTW, if he falls past the Kings, we have to do everything we can go grab him guys. He's good value at that spot. He provides leadership. He's a solid 3pt shooter. He's a fighter and a warrior.

Remember, a star PG doesn't win Chips. We only need a solid floor general setting up other guys and hitting those 3's.
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I agree he would be great for our team.. but I think other teams would see that same value...
 
PKM said:
Not to nit pick.. but I wouldn't call him mentally tough as much as intense and has an inner fire more than most. He sulked too much when Cal would get on him.. which bugged me, but he's just a freshman.
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Okay, call it competitive fire and determination....or something.
 
PKM said:
Not to nit pick.. but I wouldn't call him mentally tough as much as intense and has an inner fire more than most. He sulked too much when Cal would get on him.. which bugged me, but he's just a freshman.
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You know who was like that? Michael Jordan.
 
Regarding Giannis, you can see some of his defensive potential. He has fairly good timing and instincts. He needs to work on his strength, elevation and explosiveness to be sure. That's not an impressive level of competition athletically speaking though. He needs to get out of Greece and do workouts in the US against American players.
 
Re: Giannis - don't forget that the footage was from the Croatia game which, by all accounts, he did not do well in. The next game was much better than scouts/GMs were more impressed with his talent on the back of that game.

Ford's writeup after the under 20 showing:

Antetokounmpo was the star of the Eurocamp even though he didn't play a single minute there. His under-20 Greek team played a few exhibition games 40 minutes from Treviso, and a horde of NBA GMs and scouts skipped out of the evening Eurocamp games to take a look as he played against his first real competition of the year. Antetokounmpo's 11 points, six rebounds and four assists in the opening game versus Croatia was met with both praise (for his athletic ability and overall talent) and wariness (virtually every GM and scout I spoke with felt he was years away from contributing at the NBA level). He was much better in the second game, scoring 17 points and grabbing five rebounds in just 20 minutes against Turkey. Unfortunately, many of the NBA scouts who attended the first game didn't come back to see him against Turkey. Antetokounmpo clearly has tremendous upside, and based on the feedback I heard, really helped himself. Some scouts believe he won't get past the Hawks on draft night.
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Hotttnickkk said:
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BTW, if he falls past the Kings, we have to do everything we can go grab him guys. He's good value at that spot. He provides leadership. He's a solid 3pt shooter. He's a fighter and a warrior.

Remember, a star PG doesn't win Chips. We only need a solid floor general setting up other guys and hitting those 3's.
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No thanks.
 
Hotttnickkk said:
^^^

BTW, if he falls past the Kings, we have to do everything we can go grab him guys. He's good value at that spot. He provides leadership. He's a solid 3pt shooter. He's a fighter and a warrior.

Remember, a star PG doesn't win Chips. We only need a solid floor general setting up other guys and hitting those 3's.
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Still would rather have CJ.
 
Isaiah Thomas won chips
Chauncey Billups won chips
Tony Parker won chips
Magic Johnson won chips
Jason Kidd eventually won a chip
Rajon Rondo won a chip
Sam Cassel won a chip.

John Stockton, Gary Payton, Kevin Johnson and Allen Iverson almost won a chip.

All Star PGs do win chips, but they play on teams with elite bigs and wings too.
 
Catchall said:
Isaiah Thomas won chips
Chauncey Billups won chips
Tony Parker won chips
Magic Johnson won chips
Jason Kidd eventually won a chip
Rajon Rondo won a chip
Sam Cassel won a chip.

John Stockton, Gary Payton, Kevin Johnson and Allen Iverson almost won a chip.

All Star PGs do win chips, but they play on teams with elite bigs and wings too.
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I have a feeling you like Fish & Chips.

Am I right?
 
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