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Catchall said:
McCollum's standing and max vertical are 2 - 3 inches better than DWill's.

McCollum's lane agility time is within 2-tenths of a second of DWill's.

McCollum's 3/4 court sprint is just 7 hundredths of a second behind DWill's.

McCollum hasn't played in 6 months and needs to get in game shape, but he'll be fine.
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Wow really? That surprised me & also good to know. Seems like he's more agile & athletic than his frame let on.
 
Hotttnickkk said:
Also DWill had a really good handle as well as solid assist numbers (6.8 assists) coming out of college. So he already had solid PG skills that makes projecting him at the PG at the next level a bit easier to make.

Similarly with Lillard, he had a solid handle and solid assist numbers (6.5 assists) coming out of college. Moreover he had that penetration game that he can always pull out of the bag. When all else fail, he had enough turn of speed to just get in the lane and dish.

McCollum to me lacks the agility, quickness, turn of speed, elite handle or the assists numbers to give me confidence that he'll fit right in as a starting NBA point guard.
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Lillard averaged 4 assists coming out of college.
 
Catchall said:
McCollum's standing and max vertical are 2 - 3 inches better than DWill's.

McCollum's lane agility time is within 2-tenths of a second of DWill's.

McCollum's 3/4 court sprint is just 7 hundredths of a second behind DWill's.

McCollum hasn't played in 6 months and needs to get in game shape, but he'll be fine.
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I would bet money that Larkin's is higher in everything compared to both of them.
 
A-Train said:
I would bet money that Larkin's is higher in everything compared to both of them.
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Cool story. But Larkin is still sub 6 feet. Sorry.

I don't think we are going to get much of an informed opinion on this board about CJ since he missed most of this past season. I did have the opportunity to see him play a number of times and he can flat out ball. He and Dwill share a lot of similarities, however, one of the greatest which hasn't been mentioned is his competitive spirit. Think Dwill before Big Al came. That is a lot like CJ. Dude just leaves it all out there on the court. I'd be thrilled to see him on the jazz. It would be nice to finally have some competitors back on this team.

Unfortunately, he is going top 10.
 
Trading up for McCollum gives us a guy who can come in and contribute right away. He's smart, good character, and a leader.

What we don't know is if he'll be a star, or even anything special. Also we'll be giving up another pick most likely.
If we stay put, and draft wisely we should be able to get two rotation players, maybe a starter. Is McCollum a sure enough bet
to give up another pick/player?
 
Revolution 9 said:
Trading up for McCollum gives us a guy who can come in and contribute right away. He's smart, good character, and a leader.

What we don't know is if he'll be a star, or even anything special. Also we'll be giving up another pick most likely.
If we stay put, and draft wisely we should be able to get two rotation players, maybe a starter. Is McCollum a sure enough bet
to give up another pick/player?
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Yes, because if you aim for the trees, you'll land in the mud.

I really like Mccollum, and if our F/O are certain he is a point guard, not a combo guard like Foye, then the time is now. We're doing a disservice to our team waiting another year to get our point guard of the future. If we want to eventually contend with Hayward, Favors, Kanter, and Burks, they need time to develop that chemistry with the floor general. What if we wait till next year to secure a PG of the future, and what if he doesn't work out then? Then the core four are older, and are team is still undeveloped. We become another promising team who didn't put the pieces in place. If we think McCollum is the best man for the job in this draft (we know free agency and trade season this year will bring us very little, except maybe a trade for Bledsoe), then the time is now.
 
Revolution 9 said:
Trading up for McCollum gives us a guy who can come in and contribute right away. He's smart, good character, and a leader.

What we don't know is if he'll be a star, or even anything special. Also we'll be giving up another pick most likely.
If we stay put, and draft wisely we should be able to get two rotation players, maybe a starter. Is McCollum a sure enough bet
to give up another pick/player?
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Sexual Favors said:
Yes, because if you aim for the trees, you'll land in the mud.

I really like Mccollum, and if our F/O are certain he is a point guard, not a combo guard like Foye, then the time is now. We're doing a disservice to our team waiting another year to get our point guard of the future. If we want to eventually contend with Hayward, Favors, Kanter, and Burks, they need time to develop that chemistry with the floor general. What if we wait till next year to secure a PG of the future, and what if he doesn't work out then? Then the core four are older, and are team is still undeveloped. We become another promising team who didn't put the pieces in place. If we think McCollum is the best man for the job in this draft (we know free agency and trade season this year will bring us very little, except maybe a trade for Bledsoe), then the time is now.
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The Mentalist Situation

Smart people knows their limitations. And I'm beginning to feel we're as posters are at our limitations right now with a lack of inside info & how to evaluate about how legit these guys are.

It's really kinda like watching The Mentalist episode. The team (Lisbon, Rigspy, Cho and Van Pelt) is given the same set of information as Patrick Jane (the Mentalist). But in EVERY SINGLE CASE, Jane is the only guy who can solve the case!!! Isn't that crazy???!!! That's 5 seasons worth of cases, 22 cases each season, so that's 110 cases in total where the team is given the same info, yet only Jane can solve the case!!!

That's the same as this draft with regards to our PG prospects ("Suspects"). Each PG has his pros/cons.

Pros:

Burke: Great leader, great dribble, low TO's, high 3pt %
MCW: Great athlete, great length, high assists %
McCollum: Great scorer, shooter, legit size
Schroeder: Great speed/quickness, great potential

Cons:

Burke: limited potential going forward, can't finish at the rim, not elite athletically
MCW: Can't shoot, high TO %
McCollum: Tweener?
Schroeder: Issues with attitude, shooting

Conclusions

We've all been given the same info ("evidence"). The Lisbon's, Rigsby's, Cho's, Van Pelt's of the world can't solve this case. Nobody really knows what's going on here. We're all just "guessing". Who's really the "Prime Suspect"?

Only Patrick Jane can come up with the answer... and boy do I hope he's a member of JazzFanz...
 
Good post KKK. I think Burke scares me the most with his lack of upward potential, and not wanting to compete in workouts against athletic guards. He has only solidified this fear. I mean, what a fudge-king idiot. He is basically saying "my game wont translate, but still pay me."

The 27th will be an interesting to say the least.
 
Sexual Favors said:
Good post KKK. I think Burke scares me the most with him not wanting to compete in workouts against athletic guards. He has only solidified this fear. I mean, what a fudge-king idiot. He is basically saying "my game wont translate, but still pay me."

The 27th will be an interesting to say the least.
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This shouldn't be a concern. He is advised not to by his agent. This happens every single year. If a kid is being perceived to be a very high pick and has little upside by working out, and little downside to not working out, it's deemed safer to just pull out of certain workouts. A terrible outing could potentially be far worse than no outing at all.

In other words, I am certain it is not his personal fear of competition or being exposed, but rather just heeding the advice he's getting for optimum draft strategy.
 
Hotttnickkk said:
The Mentalist Situation

Smart people knows their limitations. And I'm beginning to feel we're as posters are at our limitations right now with a lack of inside info & how to evaluate about how legit these guys are.

It's really kinda like watching The Mentalist episode. The team (Lisbon, Rigspy, Cho and Van Pelt) is given the same set of information as Patrick Jane (the Mentalist). But in EVERY SINGLE CASE, Jane is the only guy who can solve the case!!! Isn't that crazy???!!! That's 5 seasons worth of cases, 22 cases each season, so that's 110 cases in total where the team is given the same info, yet only Jane can solve the case!!!

That's the same as this draft with regards to our PG prospects ("Suspects"). Each PG has his pros/cons.

Pros:

Burke: Great leader, great dribble, low TO's, high 3pt %
MCW: Great athlete, great length, high assists %
McCollum: Great scorer, shooter, legit size
Schroeder: Great speed/quickness, great potential

Cons:

Burke: limited potential going forward, can't finish at the rim, not elite athletically
MCW: Can't shoot, high TO %
McCollum: Tweener?
Schroeder: Issues with attitude, shooting

Conclusions

We've all been given the same info ("evidence"). The Lisbon's, Rigsby's, Cho's, Van Pelt's of the world can't solve this case. Nobody really knows what's going on here. We're all just "guessing". Who's really the "Prime Suspect"?

Only Patrick Jane can come up with the answer... and boy do I hope he's a member of JazzFanz...
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You are so weird.
 
PKM said:
This shouldn't be a concern. He is advised not to by his agent. This happens every single year. If a kid is being perceived to be a very high pick and has little upside by working out, and little downside to not working out, it's deemed safer to just pull out of certain workouts. A terrible outing could potentially be far worse than no outing at all.

In other words, I am certain it is not his personal fear of competition or being exposed, but rather just heeding the advice he's getting for optimum draft strategy.
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I understand the strategy, but I think it's a stupid one for him to pursue, given the question marks on how he'll fare athletically. In the tournament, he didn't do so great against Carter-Williams, or against Nate Wolters, both bigger guards. As a result of Burke not working out against MCW, the Kings now prefer MCW over him. I think his agent overestimated his stock.

Maybe the Kings are blowing smoke and trying to create diversions, but in their workout video, he looked slow.
 
Sexual Favors said:
I understand the strategy, but I think it's a stupid one for him to pursue, given the question marks on how he'll fare athletically. In the tournament, he didn't do so great against Carter-Williams, or against Nate Wolters, both bigger guards. As a result of Burke not working out against MCW, the Kings now prefer MCW over him. I think his agent overestimated his stock.

Maybe the Kings are blowing smoke and trying to create diversions, but in their workout video, he looked slow.
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You may very well be right. I would stop short of saying it's a stupid strategy, personally. It's almost impossible to know, though, considering we'll never know where he was truly at on the teams big boards before and after the workouts.
 
PKM said:
You may very well be right. I would stop short of saying it's a stupid strategy, personally. It's almost impossible to know, though, considering we'll never know where he was truly at on the teams big boards before and after the workouts.
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Good point.
 
Sexual Favors said:
I understand the strategy, but I think it's a stupid one for him to pursue, given the question marks on how he'll fare athletically. In the tournament, he didn't do so great against Carter-Williams, or against Nate Wolters, both bigger guards. As a result of Burke not working out against MCW, the Kings now prefer MCW over him. I think his agent overestimated his stock.

Maybe the Kings are blowing smoke and trying to create diversions, but in their workout video, he looked slow.
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Yeah I saw the same thing. Slow and under-sized. No lifts, or explosiveness at all.


This could be a blessing in disguise for us though. I'd grab Burke with my own 2 hands if he falls outside top #10.
 
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