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i suppose we could draft Giannis and call him a PG for now. He looks like he's trying to pattern his game after Magic--including his dribble, passing and set jump shot.
 
Tony said:
That's so cool! Thanks for throwin that link up.
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Nice to see a guy genuinely excited about his opportunity and wanting to take it all in. Would be funny if he were drafted by the Jazz. First thing they should make him do is apologize to John. Second would be watching Malone's HOF induction speech.
 
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Got an email from Wes and he asked I make this contribution on his behalf.

I'll go on the record and say we need to do everything possible to trade one or both of these picks for first rounders next year, specifically to teams who are consistently in the lottery. If we need to package both to a usual bottom 8 team, we have to do that.



That said, my quick thoughts.




Schroeder = monster bust. He'll do nothing and make excuses. He already is with his "toothache."

Burke = bust. To me, he maxed out his ceiling this year. I see no upside and only a lot of downside where NBA guys are bigger and more athletic and therefore will be on him tighter and won't let him get by them. He'll struggle on offense and be a liability some on defense. To me, he's the classic Ryan Leaf/Jimmer/Akili Smith, I really overachieved for one year type of college guy who gets swept up in the college buzz and momentum.

McCollum/MCW = Could be very good on the right team with the right coach. MCW is def a horrible fit right now and I'm not sure McCollum is a good one but he reeks of Utah Jazz and he's who we get I think.

Shabazz = hate the guy. He may end up scoring 20 a game but he'll be the 20 ppg scorer who doesn't lead and I question if you win with him. If he's there though, you have to take him over everyone else. And then, you try to flip him. Right away. Mid-season after letting him play 30 minutes a night and letting him chuck. Somehow or another you have to flip him because no way he is a piece to the puzzle. Not here with Ty on his first NBA team at least. Now, with someone like Lionel Hollins, yeah it could work.




If Shabazz and McCollum are gone, I'd roll the dice and go with Adetokunbo. Very young. Very well rounded from his defense to his shooting to his handle to his passing. Athletic, maybe even very athletic. What's the worst that happens? He flames out like 60% of these guys anyway? Based on his age and where he's at now and how he's done in workouts, I'd go for him. Especially since I think our young core and Ty would be good for him now as a fit. Nobody else makes sense. A third big. Why? We can sign one cheap or get one at #21. Larkin? No. Too early.




We should target Shabazz (prob impossible), McCollum, Adetokunbo in that order, and could almost certainly get the latter. And at #21, Larkin, or a third big like Olynyk, Dieng, Gobert, or Plumlee will be there.




Next year is point guard rich so reaching for one now, or ever really, is dumb. We could roll out a young core, let them take their lumps but yet develop, and acquire a top 10 pick. Then, we let Ty, Mo, and Marvin walk, and get a legit pg with our top 10 pick next year, and let Lionel Hollins or SVG or someone do wonders.




The Core Four: Enough with the P3. If Favors doesn't come back with noticeable improvement on offense, I'll be annoyed. P3 does next to nothing for them imo. These guys are already athletic and could workout with Jazz trainers. What they need to do is work on their game. Truly work on their game for hours on end.
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I agree with a lot of what Wes said. Even though I'd take Schroeder at #14, I can understand why one could see bust potential. I don't see nearly as much bust potential with Burke, however.

I think I was the first to say it. I'd be totally down for Giannis at #14 unless someone unexpected like Bazz falls. He has major upside for a #14 pick, and plays into our "tank for the 2014 draft" strategy since he'll either not come to the NBA next season, or he just won't be a great contributor immediately due to his lack of experience and insane lack of bulk etc.
 
A talented kid with ample size, showed tremendous growth as a player in the last year, won the Wooden award, and almost led his team to a national championship at 20 years old can't possibly get better. Everyone catch that?
 
NUMBERICA said:
A talented kid with ample size, showed tremendous growth as a player in the last year, won the Wooden award, and almost led his team to a national championship at 20 years old can't possibly get better. Everyone catch that?
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Still remember Gyp pimping out Singleton last year (along with myself). Take his predictions with a grain of salt.
 
Why doesn't GYP just post it himself?

This is like when a smoker thinks they are quiting tobacco by switching to chewing. They just lying to themselves.
 
Hack said:
Why doesn't GYP just post it himself?

This is like when a smoker thinks they are quiting tobacco by switching to chewing. They just lying to themselves.
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Hahahaha... rep'd for trying to be funny, and it was actually funny!!

I like my metaphors, and that was a pretty good one.
 
I feel gyp'd.

Burke has great feel, floor vision and the ability to lead a team. He can work off of screens and run plays. He's not uber quick, but he's quick enough.

I do also like McCollum and Giannis. Both could be key pieces.
 
Catchall said:
I feel gyp'd.

Burke has great feel, floor vision and the ability to lead a team. He can work off of screens and run plays. He's not uber quick, but he's quick enough.

I do also like McCollum and Giannis. Both could be key pieces.
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I do see where Gyp is coming from through... he seems to be all about "Upsides" and Burke doesn't have a lot of it.


Burke will be a steady PG for a team, but I do agree that his upside is limited.
 
I want McCollum and wolters. draft giannis to store over seas. get Jimmer cheaply. steal Robinson from Houston

suck next year get Parker

McCollum, wolters, Jimmer
Hayward, burks
Parker, giannis, Carroll
favors, Robinson
kanter, tomic, Aldrich

I can live with that team.

fire Ty and hire an X's and O's coach. like van gundy.
 
PG_AB must be laughing at this... he had Len pegged at #1 from Day 1.

1. Cleveland Cavaliers – Alex Len, C, Maryland (7’1, 11.9 ppg, 7.8 rpg, 2.1 bpg)

Recent buzz out of Cleveland has centered around Alex Len, Anthony Bennett, and Ben McLemore as targets Cavs GM Chris Grant has started to re-examine. It appears Grant might pass on Noel, who has loads of upside but is very raw offensively and likely won’t play his first NBA game until at least January 2014.

All season long Len has intrigued Cavs executive Zydrunas Ilgauskas with his skills, length, and upside. It appears Ilgauskas may be swaying others in Cleveland to join him on Len’s bandwagon.

It is easy to see why pairing Len with Kyrie Irving could change the fortunes of this downtrodden franchise. Len is a long and lengthy defender who can block shots and rebound, though not at the impactful level of a healthy-Noel.

Len’s signature right now is his developed offensive game in the post and facing the basket. With Irving and Len, Cleveland could have a really impressive pick-and-pop game.

As mentioned at the top of Mock 3.0.1, Cleveland would like to trade this pick for an established player, but the market hasn’t materialized so far. Watch the Cavs closely as they have the ammunition to pull off a large deal or acquire an additional lottery pick. If a deal happens, it will take place closer to draft night. But history shows that it’s very rare for the top pick to change hands.
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https://www.sheridanhoops.com/2013/06/15/mock-draft-5-0-shakeup-at-the-top/
 
spycam1 said:
I agree with a lot of what Wes said. Even though I'd take Schroeder at #14, I can understand why one could see bust potential. I don't see nearly as much bust potential with Burke, however.

I think I was the first to say it. I'd be totally down for Giannis at #14 unless someone unexpected like Bazz falls. He has major upside for a #14 pick, and plays into our "tank for the 2014 draft" strategy since he'll either not come to the NBA next season, or he just won't be a great contributor immediately due to his lack of experience and insane lack of bulk etc.
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NUMBERICA said:
A talented kid with ample size, showed tremendous growth as a player in the last year, won the Wooden award, and almost led his team to a national championship at 20 years old can't possibly get better. Everyone catch that?
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dalamon said:
Still remember Gyp pimping out Singleton last year (along with myself). Take his predictions with a grain of salt.
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Hack said:
Why doesn't GYP just post it himself?

This is like when a smoker thinks they are quiting tobacco by switching to chewing. They just lying to themselves.
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Catchall said:
I feel gyp'd.

Burke has great feel, floor vision and the ability to lead a team. He can work off of screens and run plays. He's not uber quick, but he's quick enough.

I do also like McCollum and Giannis. Both could be key pieces.
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More response from GypTooth;

Saw some posts. To clarify my Burke hitting his ceiling post. He is smallish and does not have true blow by ability. Quite frankly, I'm not sure there's one good pg in the NBA who isn't one or the other or a combination of both. Rose, Westbrook, Lawson, Paul, Rondo, Parker, Lillard, Irving, Wall, and Deron (to a lesser degree but he also is complimented by great size) all have great explosiveness/athleticism. IMO, having watched Burke about 10 games this year, what I saw was a guy who was working so very hard on every single play to do his thing, whether it be drive by his man to the rim or draw a defender and kick it out, or get a shot off. Now, let's flash forward to the NBA when virtually all of the aforementioned guys are playing him. Can he defend any of them? Can he offensively attack any of them? I see a guy, as committed as he may be, who will struggle, and I would guess be a mediocre starter for 4-5 years and then fade into good back-up role for another 4-6. He'll have a long career because he seems to be a hard worker and gives a damn and therefore I would presume would be a true professional. But he is so very limited imo and will be a bust, relatively speaking in our eyes, of sorts.



The only guy I can think over the last 10-15 years who I could compare him to, who we could hope for him to evolve into over time, would be Steve Nash. They're about the same size. And Nash has never had insane quickness from what I recall, though he still was quicker than Burke. If Burke can become a savant like Nash seemed to be offensively, then that's perhaps our only hope of him being what many on the board pray he is.
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