Yeah Baby (new highlights, well it's one I haven't seen before.. )
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HdKrHY50uvE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HdKrHY50uvE
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orangello
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I know that this is a highlight video but two things I noticed:
First, he seemed to be able to finish around the rim in traffic quite a bit (a huge complaint from the anti Schröder crowd).
Second, he seemed as fluid going left as he did going right (another big complaint).
I still firmly believe that he will separate himself as the best PG in this draft by the end of his third season in the NBA. If you don't think that is significant enough then you probably don't understand recent draft history.
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OH **** you're right!!! At 1.00min he went to his left and finish no problem whatsoeva!!
orangello
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Don't let the haters know.
He even did it twice, on a back-to-back highlight play. Take that, haters!
orangello
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Thee is going to come after us both. Watch yourself.
Well he can go left and while his left is nowhere near as bad as some ppl here think, he has still to improve a lot in this area. Hesitation moves and crossovers are not really his repertoire at this point while going left.
Putting the 2 scenes into perspective. Both are Pick n Roll Situations, where the defense switched. In the first scene you can see Tyrese Rice(former Boston College Standout, known for lackluster defense over here) getting caught up in the screen, while trying to go above it for no reason. After that Lawrence Roberts(former Mississippi State) has to guard him way too far from the basket and can't keep up with his speed. So I'd say the defense made him look good in that situation. 2nd Situation is the similar. Very high PnR results in player switching defensively, and Defender can't keep up with Schröder's speed.
But in general, that's what he can do right now going left. If he manages to misdirect the defense he can utilize his quickness off the pick and roll to make a play going left.
Edit: Last 5 sec of the vid you got another of these PnR settings, where the defense allows him to score easy going left.
I think the kid is going to be very good if he works hard and everyone allows him to grow up. He needs to put weight on and gain experience. He could be very special. I have no problem with the Jazz taking him. It would be better if the Jazz could get him at 21 instead of 14 but I am ok with him at 14. He is raw and it will take him a few years. I worry that he may get overwhelmed with having to adjust to a new culture and the NBA. You never know which way a player will go. Some flourish and others fade away.
Thee Idiotic Minivan K
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If he can play pg in the nba then I say snatch him up. To me he looks like a tougher Burks. If we draft him at 21, then trade Burks and 14 for McCollum, think these two could be a killer combo.
Quick question for PKM...
How is Archie's defense? Do you think he can guard pg's at the nba level?
Chargers Jazz Angels
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great vid kkk. I agree with orange and kkk some of the haters are wrong. although some of those shots would be stuffed in the nba. he still plays below the rim. I am not a hater and wouldn't mind the jazz drafting him especially at 21.
my worries with schröder
- below the rim play.
- slow shot with low release point
- him getting homesick and stopping work outs.
- his arrogance. this can be good and bad depends on how it is used.
I am not sold that Corbin is the right coach to bring out the best in schröder. there is a reason pg seem to make better coaches.
my worries with schröder
- below the rim play.
- slow shot with low release point
- him getting homesick and stopping work outs.
- his arrogance. this can be good and bad depends on how it is used.
I am not sold that Corbin is the right coach to bring out the best in schröder. there is a reason pg seem to make better coaches.
Chargers Jazz Angels
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not pkm but I believe Goodwin can guard nba pgs. I also think if you are looking at potential the ceiling for Goodwin is Westbrook.
Da hell is Burks a #12 and this kid 2nd round?
He does everything Burks does better.
He has more skills, like actual basketball skills.
He can dribble and move with the ball.
Burks cannot.
If Corbin could train Burks and squeeze everything out of him. Which wasn't much.
Then he can fix Arcie's shot. He can fix his out-of-controlness.
The last one is typical. And easy to fix.
I say take that Cleveland trade if Dallas does not.
#14 for #19, 31, 33.
Draft Archie. Then draft franklin. Just for fun.
Nick and you are obviously right to point it out to those who call him an one-armed-bandit. I just think when going into detail, the defense made bad decisions there, defending a PnR at 30 feet away from the basket at first. Then I'd start defending Schröder at the 3pt line and even then walk under screens unless he hit a 3 off the dribble in one of the previous possessions. Fighting over a screen resulting in a unfavorable switch way too far from the basket resulted in Schröder making a good play. That's definately a plus for him. He's able to spot mistakes from the defense and take advantage of them. Imo, his play kinda mature for his age. The TOs occurr when having stubborn misunderstandings with teammates throwing the ball out of bounds or not seeing the floor properly which results in intercepted passes. But he won't run around and jack up guarded 3s from way too deep, like some other kids his age do. He plays within himself you could say.
I'd even go that far to say his weakness to go left won't hurt his rookie season, as NBA teams usually don't respect Rookies not named LeBron James in terms of game preparation(at least from my experience)
He'll have to develop a stronger left handle obviously in the future. The sooner the better. I don't really know how likely it is to improve ballhandling, but I've seen cases where I felt a player improved that a lot. And his measurements indicate that he's got the physical tools to be a good ballhandler.
On another note for those rooting for Goodwin. Why not sign Tyreke Evans to an offer sheet? Maybe it's one year early as it makes tanking next season impossible in order to grab that franchise cornerstone, but in general I think he could be a good 3rd option on a contender, maybe in a Jason Terry/Jamal Crawford/JR Smith kind of role. Bringing energy and scoring from the bench.
Definitely not a bad kid or anything. I stated his weaknesses.. out of control too often and a horridly flat shot.
Yes. I'd say he could defend 2/3's of the NBA's PG's. Lateral quickness is good, athleticism.. LENGTH.
Thee Idiotic Minivan K
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If Bazz falls to 9-10 I think the jazz are blowing a great opportunity (14 and Burks)