Not sure if I'm mentally challenged or the Pistons or the Mock draft creators. But every single one has the Pistons select CJ McCollum. I don't know why the Pistons would do that unless there's a trade known. They drafted tall ComboGuard Stuckey in 2007, gave him time. Now they were like: He blows, let's draft slightly smaller ComboGuard named Brandon Knight in 2011. He improves. Why would they draft COMBOGUARD CJ MCCOLLUM in 2013 before they know if Brandon Knight is the real deal. I don't even think that McCollum could be better than Knight. They literally have no Shooting Guard and no Small Forward on their roster and eventually Otto Porter might be available. Why would they draft a Brandon Knight clone? Even if Porter(who'd be a natural fit for them with his passing skills) is likely gone, there is Muhammad who could fit in their backcourt right away. There's Zeller, who would be a nice 3rd big for them. If they shy away from Muhammad and Zeller, there's KCP or even MCW, who'd at least bring a new "skillset" or dimension into their Point Guard. But McCollum? I don't get it please explain. What's BPA worth when the player is redundant in skill, upside and position?
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Thee Idiotic Minivan K
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Bazz
Not sure how we get CJ with this scenario, but if the rumors of a Bazz slide are true I'd want Bazz, Gobert, and Goodwin. Both Goodwin and Bazz can play more then one position, and think Gobert could be an elite defender.
I could a great diversity of many different lineups as such...
Starting line.
Mo (only because we don't have a pg on the roster, he started last year)
Hayward
Bazz
Kanter
Favors
Great combo of offense and defense, Hayward takes a lot of the playmaking responsibility away from Mo, allowing him to be a shooter and scorer. I see as pure offense and end of shot clock guy. And no one is getting parting the red sea layups with Favors and Kanter roaming the paint.
Also another intriguing line up in the second, and fourth Quarters.
Goodwin
Burks
Carroll
Favors
Gobert.
This is the all defensive team in my book, and gives Favors extra time. Could see him winning defensive player of the year next year. Also sprinkle in some Hayward and Bazz. This is also a long athletic team. I see lots of offensive boarding.
One thing of note... I'm basing Goodwin at pg because of what PKM said about how good Goodwin played that position early in the year.
a yeah for me too.
Having Goodwin, Burks, and Carroll all play together is about as intriguing as a diarrhea sandwich.
Yeah.. just not a good matchup there..
orangello
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Thee Idiotic Minivan K
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I'm talking about our second unit, they wouldn't be out there as a unit for extended play, as I also stated that I'd sprinkle in some Bazz and Hayward. It's an ultra athletic and fast lineup that would excel in a faster pace game in transition offense and so on. Think they could overwhelm other benches because f athletic ability in short bursts then put in Bazz or Hayward.
NBA Draft 2013: Giannis Adetokunbo, Dennis Schroeder and the new reality in international scouting
By Jonathan Tjarks on Jun 25 2013
International scouting has come full circle in the last decade, with relative unknowns sneaking into the late first round. We discuss the unique situations of Giannis Adetokunbo, Dennis Schroeder (pictured) and others.
Giannis Adetokunbo, an 18-year-old playing on a second-division team in Greece, will likely be a first-round pick in two days. Most of his game tape is grainier than the Zapruder film. His statistics are hard to come by. People don't even know how to spell his name (is it Adetokunbo or Antetokoumpo?). In many ways, he has more in common with the international prospects of 1993 than 2013.
Adetokunbo isn't the only young and relatively anonymous international prospect in this year's draft. Dennis Schroeder, a 19-year-old point guard from Germany, was considered a fringe first-round pick before his standout performance at the Hoop Summit. Sergey Karasev, another 19-year-old who excelled there, may have received a first-round promise. He shut down his workouts before most NBA teams could see them.
The common theme? A desire to be drafted on their timetable, not the NBA's.
The Hoop Summit, where the top U-19 international players face off against the best U.S. high school players, has become one of the most important events on the pre-draft calendar. The Americans are forced into at least one year of college after, but the international players can go directly into the draft. As a result, there's just a lot less information to judge them on. Where would Shabazz Muhammad had gone after 35 points and nine rebounds in the 2012 Hoop Summit?
Even in the best of circumstances, projecting 18- and 19-year-olds into the best basketball league in the world is difficult. While they can dominate their age group on raw ability, the majority aren't developed enough physically to compete in the NBA. At that age, everyone matures at a different rate and much of that development depends on intangibles. How will millions of dollars change them off the court? Do they have the work ethic to keep improving? Who's in their ear?
That's one of the main reasons why the NBA instituted the one-and-done rule. The idea, as David Stern put it, was to keep NBA scouts out of high school gyms. Of course, that hasn't exactly happened, but it has given teams a much longer timetable on which to evaluate American players. High school stats are virtually meaningless, but a year of collegiate stats at least gives a baseline of comparison. In contrast, teams are flying blind when it comes to players like Adetokunbo and Schroeder.
In terms of physical tools, you can put those two up against anyone in the draft. Adetokunbo, at 6'9 and 200 pounds with a 7'3 wingspan, is longer and more athletic than Otto Porter (Scouting Report), the top-rated small forward. Schroeder, at 6'2 and 170 pounds with a 6'7 wingspan, is faster and bigger than Trey Burke (Scouting Report), widely seen as the top point guard. If they were American kids, they would be Top 10 players in their high school class. But while they have high ceilings, there are plenty of Top 10 high school seniors who don't do anything in the NBA.
Given their age and current level of competition, Schroeder and Adetokunbo are a long way from finished products. Schroeder averaged three assists a game in Germany's top league this season; it's hard to imagine an NBA coach being willing to give him the keys to the offense right away. Adetokunbo, for his part, won't be coming over anytime soon. He's scheduled to move to the Spanish League next season, where he will probably spend at least two years. Both could have been drafted much higher if they had declared at 21.
Slipping in the draft may be a feature, not a bug, of their decision
But here's the interesting part: slipping in the draft may be a feature, not a bug, of their decision. With the NBA capping the amount of money first-round picks can make, there's less of a financial incentive to be drafted as high as possible. The difference between being a lottery pick and a late first-round pick is still significant, but the real money in the NBA comes in the second contract. That, in turn, depends in large part on the situation a young player walks into when he enters the league.
Jan Vesely is the ultimate cautionary tale for international players and their handlers. Vesely didn't declare until he was 21, going No. 6 overall to the Wizards in 2011. Nothing has gone right for him since. After two years amidst the chaos and upheaval in Washington, a player once dubbed the "European Blake Griffin" looks like a shell of himself. He isn't the first young player to struggle with the Wizards, but at this rate, he might not even get a second contract in the NBA.
That said, you certainly can't pin all of his struggles in the NBA on his situation. Even before the draft, his inability to do much offensively beyond dunking was apparent. What his career has shown is the folly of chasing draft position over fit. In hindsight, Vesely would have been better off being drafted to a playoff contender in the latter half of the first round. He needed to be on a team that could afford to bring him along slowly and groom him as a backup center for a few years.
Schroeder wants to be his own man
SB Nation's Ricky O'Donnell caught up with him at May's NBA Draft combine.
The lesson for players like Adetokunbo, Schroeder and Karasev is clear. Schroeder is the only one of the three who came to the combine and he withdrew because of a toothache. Why put your fate in the hands of a lottery team when you could play with a perennial contender like Oklahoma City and San Antonio instead? For a young player, it's better to have a small role on a good team than a big role on a bad one. Coming off the bench didn't prevent James Harden from getting a max contract.
An 18-year-old international player who enters the draft has little to lose. If his handlers have a relationship with an NBA team, he can be snuck through until the end of the first round. The logic is simple -- take less money upfront for a bigger score down the road. For a contending team, the potential upside is worth the risk of missing on the pick.
Twelve years after the Spurs stole Tony Parker at No. 28 overall, the future of international scouting is starting to look like the past.
By Jonathan Tjarks on Jun 25 2013
International scouting has come full circle in the last decade, with relative unknowns sneaking into the late first round. We discuss the unique situations of Giannis Adetokunbo, Dennis Schroeder (pictured) and others.
Giannis Adetokunbo, an 18-year-old playing on a second-division team in Greece, will likely be a first-round pick in two days. Most of his game tape is grainier than the Zapruder film. His statistics are hard to come by. People don't even know how to spell his name (is it Adetokunbo or Antetokoumpo?). In many ways, he has more in common with the international prospects of 1993 than 2013.
Adetokunbo isn't the only young and relatively anonymous international prospect in this year's draft. Dennis Schroeder, a 19-year-old point guard from Germany, was considered a fringe first-round pick before his standout performance at the Hoop Summit. Sergey Karasev, another 19-year-old who excelled there, may have received a first-round promise. He shut down his workouts before most NBA teams could see them.
The common theme? A desire to be drafted on their timetable, not the NBA's.
The Hoop Summit, where the top U-19 international players face off against the best U.S. high school players, has become one of the most important events on the pre-draft calendar. The Americans are forced into at least one year of college after, but the international players can go directly into the draft. As a result, there's just a lot less information to judge them on. Where would Shabazz Muhammad had gone after 35 points and nine rebounds in the 2012 Hoop Summit?
Even in the best of circumstances, projecting 18- and 19-year-olds into the best basketball league in the world is difficult. While they can dominate their age group on raw ability, the majority aren't developed enough physically to compete in the NBA. At that age, everyone matures at a different rate and much of that development depends on intangibles. How will millions of dollars change them off the court? Do they have the work ethic to keep improving? Who's in their ear?
That's one of the main reasons why the NBA instituted the one-and-done rule. The idea, as David Stern put it, was to keep NBA scouts out of high school gyms. Of course, that hasn't exactly happened, but it has given teams a much longer timetable on which to evaluate American players. High school stats are virtually meaningless, but a year of collegiate stats at least gives a baseline of comparison. In contrast, teams are flying blind when it comes to players like Adetokunbo and Schroeder.
In terms of physical tools, you can put those two up against anyone in the draft. Adetokunbo, at 6'9 and 200 pounds with a 7'3 wingspan, is longer and more athletic than Otto Porter (Scouting Report), the top-rated small forward. Schroeder, at 6'2 and 170 pounds with a 6'7 wingspan, is faster and bigger than Trey Burke (Scouting Report), widely seen as the top point guard. If they were American kids, they would be Top 10 players in their high school class. But while they have high ceilings, there are plenty of Top 10 high school seniors who don't do anything in the NBA.
Given their age and current level of competition, Schroeder and Adetokunbo are a long way from finished products. Schroeder averaged three assists a game in Germany's top league this season; it's hard to imagine an NBA coach being willing to give him the keys to the offense right away. Adetokunbo, for his part, won't be coming over anytime soon. He's scheduled to move to the Spanish League next season, where he will probably spend at least two years. Both could have been drafted much higher if they had declared at 21.
Slipping in the draft may be a feature, not a bug, of their decision
But here's the interesting part: slipping in the draft may be a feature, not a bug, of their decision. With the NBA capping the amount of money first-round picks can make, there's less of a financial incentive to be drafted as high as possible. The difference between being a lottery pick and a late first-round pick is still significant, but the real money in the NBA comes in the second contract. That, in turn, depends in large part on the situation a young player walks into when he enters the league.
Jan Vesely is the ultimate cautionary tale for international players and their handlers. Vesely didn't declare until he was 21, going No. 6 overall to the Wizards in 2011. Nothing has gone right for him since. After two years amidst the chaos and upheaval in Washington, a player once dubbed the "European Blake Griffin" looks like a shell of himself. He isn't the first young player to struggle with the Wizards, but at this rate, he might not even get a second contract in the NBA.
That said, you certainly can't pin all of his struggles in the NBA on his situation. Even before the draft, his inability to do much offensively beyond dunking was apparent. What his career has shown is the folly of chasing draft position over fit. In hindsight, Vesely would have been better off being drafted to a playoff contender in the latter half of the first round. He needed to be on a team that could afford to bring him along slowly and groom him as a backup center for a few years.
Schroeder wants to be his own man
SB Nation's Ricky O'Donnell caught up with him at May's NBA Draft combine.
The lesson for players like Adetokunbo, Schroeder and Karasev is clear. Schroeder is the only one of the three who came to the combine and he withdrew because of a toothache. Why put your fate in the hands of a lottery team when you could play with a perennial contender like Oklahoma City and San Antonio instead? For a young player, it's better to have a small role on a good team than a big role on a bad one. Coming off the bench didn't prevent James Harden from getting a max contract.
An 18-year-old international player who enters the draft has little to lose. If his handlers have a relationship with an NBA team, he can be snuck through until the end of the first round. The logic is simple -- take less money upfront for a bigger score down the road. For a contending team, the potential upside is worth the risk of missing on the pick.
Twelve years after the Spurs stole Tony Parker at No. 28 overall, the future of international scouting is starting to look like the past.
^^^
Yeah I saw that. Thought that bit about Schroeder was quite clever. He intentionally tried to dodge those lottery teams and get into a winning situation right away, which I think was quite smart of him.
I still hope we can grab him at #14. Just don't over think it. Grab him and groom him.
#GrabAndGroom
Yeah I saw that. Thought that bit about Schroeder was quite clever. He intentionally tried to dodge those lottery teams and get into a winning situation right away, which I think was quite smart of him.
I still hope we can grab him at #14. Just don't over think it. Grab him and groom him.
#GrabAndGroom
LOL.. bro.. I'm on JazzFanz 24/7, how the hell would I have time to attack a woman??!!
So how was your camping trip?
You reckon it could catch on??
UGLI baby
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It could be a nice catch phrase for a product/service. I can't think of what right now, but I could see it on TVs, on Radios, etc...
Grab And Groom
BOOM!!!!!
b_line
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that dude was not filled with holy spirits. or maybe it was spirits that made him act like that.
Nah he wouldn't do that if he had the Holy Spirit in him.
God's grace and forgiveness is the hallmark of the Holy Spirit in my opinion... If you have anger, rage, violence in mind, that's something else all together.
DX's new mock has us taking Plumlee at #14 and Schroeder at #21.
WTF????
Shouldn't be the other way round????
I'm waiting for Cy to come right in said give his "Well, DX doesn't update their Mocks until closer to the draft..." Speech.
WTF????
Shouldn't be the other way round????
I'm waiting for Cy to come right in said give his "Well, DX doesn't update their Mocks until closer to the draft..." Speech.
*crickets*
Stifle Tower
Punch Bowl Re-Filler
Schrod's been dropping in all mocks. Plumlee likely rising because of his size.