Will D-Will Stay?
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Hopper
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Well, I still think many people put too much emphasis on individual talent, and too little on solid team ball amongst players who have been together a long time.
I mean, think about it. The very cream of the NBA had a hard time beating---who was it, Spain?--in the last olympics. And them USA boys were playing good team ball, too. On the other hand, they had only really been playing together for a month or two, so......
Team USA didn't play good team ball. Playing Stephon Marbury all but guarantees that. Individual talent is absolutely paramount but ONLY if everyone is on the same page. To have one of the biggest prima donnas in full fury (Kobe) paired with the most talented and least serious player (Shaq), along with one of the most arrogant to ever step on the court (Payton) is not exactly a recipe for success, I don't care how good they are. Especially since Kobe for half of that year (or maybe it was the year before? Not really important) wouldn't pass the ball to Shaq and was involved in power-plays the whole way. And also because Johnson had benched Payton in favor of Fisher. Sounds like great chemistry.
Team ball is fine but you need talent to go along with it. Lakers and Celtics have both. Nuggets just have a lot of talent.
We play team ball but dont have a lot of elite talent. When your starting wings are Miles and Maththews, two guys who will have a difficult time cracking the top 8 of a Celtics team, and you are asking Deron to win in the playoffs with them, he is bound to be pretty pissed. You put Deron in place of Rondo and they easily win a ring this season. Heck, they might even win it all with Rondo, but just saying.
Celtics and Lakers have 3 or 4 guys who can take over a game all by themselves, drop 25 or more on a night and win it.
We have just one-Deron. It is not even close. And please dont bother mentioning Boozer or Okur here.
Well, C.J. Miles posted better scoring numbers against Lakers than Pierce and Ray Allen do in the Finals. As far as I see it, Ray Allen shot the ball well in 1 of 4 games, and the other Celtics victory was thanks to bench players (Pierce, Garnett, Rondo on the bench).
Boozer outplayed Garnett badly against Lakers competition, and his 13 rebounds per game are monstrous versus Garnett's 5.0 rpg and Stoudemire's 6.0 rpg.
The Jazz lost twice in the very last minute (G1 and G3) and were competetive in G2. The only difference is the instant 7-footer presence: Perkins or Garnett (or even Rasheed Wallace has tall wingspan). I followed the score for the Jazz starting lineup of Williams-Matthews-Miles-Boozer-Fesenko: they went 121-106 in Lakers series.
Boozer outplayed Garnett badly against Lakers competition, and his 13 rebounds per game are monstrous versus Garnett's 5.0 rpg and Stoudemire's 6.0 rpg.
The Jazz lost twice in the very last minute (G1 and G3) and were competetive in G2. The only difference is the instant 7-footer presence: Perkins or Garnett (or even Rasheed Wallace has tall wingspan). I followed the score for the Jazz starting lineup of Williams-Matthews-Miles-Boozer-Fesenko: they went 121-106 in Lakers series.
yeah the Jazz starting five are so much better than the Celtics that we only got swept.
CJ will go to the Hall of fame before Pierce and Mathews will be an all star more number of times than Ray Allen.
Kobe and Phil Jackson will have sleepless nights plotting on how to stop CJ and Mathews the next time they fae us.
And as for defense, the Celtics team defense is nothing before our team defense which gave Bryant fits and made the Lakers sweat for their points. Our defensive stoppers like Miles and Boozer>> Garnett and Perkins and Rondo
They should be glad that they escaped us with a sweep.
The Thriller
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This could be due to the Jazz's system as opposed to Boston's.
Ray Allen has always been one player that I wish would have played in the Jazz's system at least once.
These are facts. Jazz starting lineup went 121-106 throughout Lakers series and C.J. averaged better numbers than Pierce and Allen do. Boozer is playoff leading rebounder.
Recap of the first 3 games:
G1 1:00 to go, Lakers lead 96-95
G2 5:00 to go, Lakers lead 98-94 (terrible shooting night for Deron 4-16 FG
G3 1:00 to go, Jazz lead 106-103
G4 15-point loss, Fesenko +9 in 30 minutes, the Jazz -24 in 18 minutes without Fesenko
Look at Celtics, Rondo and Tony Allen can slow down Bryant but they struggle with own shooting. Ray Allen is manhandled by Fisher on the offense and torched by Bryant on defense. No team is perfect, often there is fine line between success and failure.
Recap of the first 3 games:
G1 1:00 to go, Lakers lead 96-95
G2 5:00 to go, Lakers lead 98-94 (terrible shooting night for Deron 4-16 FG
G3 1:00 to go, Jazz lead 106-103
G4 15-point loss, Fesenko +9 in 30 minutes, the Jazz -24 in 18 minutes without Fesenko
Look at Celtics, Rondo and Tony Allen can slow down Bryant but they struggle with own shooting. Ray Allen is manhandled by Fisher on the offense and torched by Bryant on defense. No team is perfect, often there is fine line between success and failure.
For what it's worth (probably nothing but, figured i'd throw it in there), the Jazz have played the Celts pretty well in recent years, even won a game in Boston in '08.
Beantown
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From my semi-insider point of view all I can say is that D-Will loves Utah. He lives here in the offseason. He has already made alot of close friends. He is a member at the country club I worked at that is very expensive. He also bought a lot up there. Where else is he going to get to play golf with Michael Jordan every summer? From what I also know he has made some great connections there for investment oppertunuties. So I believe that if he really did leave, it would be plainly for basketball purposes. So the Jazz would have to have a dismal outlook. Plus he already has created foundations for the Utah area. He is not just going to ditch this life he has bulit here in Utah at the drop of a hat.
Not only improve but shine!
If we re-sign Fes then he has a pretty high ceiling and we expect big things from him, but if we don't re-sign him it's because you're right no high ceiling. The Jazz brass know best and whether or not we sign him will tell you how high his ceiling is.
On the contrary! The AK of old is back. Plus, he's working on his jumpshot this summer and plans to bulk up.
You have to think outside the box and look at the gems sitting on our roster that are about to explode.
This is incorrect. Currently, we're the only team who can improve internally, period. Everyone else is on the decline. You forget that when we got beat by the Lakers we were missing two starters, Deron was nursing an injury, Korver had surgery over the off-season, Brewer didn't get any playing time, Boozer was having marriage troubles, Harpring was injured, Jerry had a lot of arthritis acting up. Really, the cards were stacked against us and we had been bitten by the injury bug. We really haven't seen this team at full-strength yet.
He should be fine as long as Gary Briggs has plenty of that magic spray around.
We have a top 3 team when healthy. With how young we are, there's nowhere to go but up and it's not like everyone will be injured next year. If CJ were to have stayed in college to get a degree in accounting, he would have only been at a desk job for a year and 10 ppg is pretty dang good to put up for a guy in a cubicle.
Kevin listens to all the chatter. If he happens to hear something that will make the team better then he'll do it, as he's said. You can take that to the bank!