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Hopper said:
I found this part interestin, and consistent with my prior understanding, eh, Colton?:

"Other connotations of frivolousness and showiness in dress ("gay apparel") led to association with camp and effeminacy. This association no doubt helped the gradual narrowing in scope of the term towards its current dominant meaning..." If ya click on the camp and effeminacy links, here's some of whatcha git:

"Camp derives from the French slang term se camper, meaning “to pose in an exaggerated fashion”. The OED gives 1909 as the first print citation of camp as "ostentatious, exaggerated, affected, theatrical; effeminate or homosexual; pertaining to, characteristic of, homosexuals...

Effeminacy describes traits in a human male, that are more often associated with traditional feminine nature, behavior, mannerisms, style or gender roles rather than masculine nature, behavior, mannerisms, style or roles. It is a term frequently applied to womanly behavior, demeanor, style and appearance displayed by a male, typically used implying criticism or ridicule of this behavior (as opposed to, for example, merely describing a male as feminine, which is non-judgmental)."

Seems that is what "gay" means, or was intended to mean when the term was appplied to homosexuals. Aint none of that too appealin to the average person, whatever their sexual orientation is, know what I'm sayin?

On the one hand, ya got your run of the mill homosexual. On the other, ya got your FLAMING homosexual. For better or worse, the term "gay" has seemingly traditionally been associated with the flamers.
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Ive always seen the usage of effemacy as related to culture, there are cultures wherein female are regarded as higher than that of males.
 
Hopper said:
Joke:

In heaven, the English are the cops, the french are the cooks, and the Germans are the bureaucrats.

In hell, the Germans are the police, the English are the cooks, and the French are the bureaucrats.


Totally, over-the-top, "perjorative," I know, but still kinda funny, aint it?
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I sorta remember the joke that in heaven, the English are cops, the French are cooks, the Germans are mechanics, the Swiss are the government officials, and the Italians are lovers.

In hell, the Germans are cops, the British are cooks, the French are mechanics, the Swiss are the lovers, and the Italians are the government officials.
 
Nate505 said:
I sorta remember the joke that...
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I like that better, Nate; it throws in the Italians and Swiss (who are they, anyway?), too. But the the stereotypin is really just beyond the pale here, eh? It is IMPOSSIBLE and STUPID to say ANYTHING about a group of people. It is WRONG, for example, for me the say "The French are good people." Some of them aint.

Of course, that particular example is especially WRONG, because, as it turns out, all of them aint.
 
Nate505 said:
Hopper said:
Joke:

In heaven, the English are the cops, the french are the cooks, and the Germans are the bureaucrats.

In hell, the Germans are the police, the English are the cooks, and the French are the bureaucrats.

Totally, over-the-top, "perjorative," I know, but still kinda funny, aint it?
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I sorta remember the joke that in heaven, the English are cops, the French are cooks, the Germans are mechanics, the Swiss are the government officials, and the Italians are lovers.

In hell, the Germans are cops, the British are cooks, the French are mechanics, the Swiss are the lovers, and the Italians are the government officials.
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LOL, poor Hopper. Guess there's no love for him in either Heaven or Hell.

;-)


(oh and Hopper, I like your use of the blue font up there, that's kinda camp, know what I'm sayin'?)
 
One Brow said:
It is perjorative to use a word that describes people and turn it into an insult. This is not that dificult a distinction.
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I really can't even begin to fathom such a suggestion. How do you turn a description into an "insult?"

One Brow said:
Common for shallow thinkers. That so blues-fan of you.

Of course, since you're a fan of the blues, you took that as a compliment, right?
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Here again is the suggestion that your subjective opinion of sumthin determines whether or not that status is despicable and whether it is therefore demeaning to hold such a status.

The true thinkin behind this seems clear. If you don't approve of something, then you are insulting anyone who does approve. You regulate and prohibit the perceived "insults" so as to enforce and instantiate a particular opinion about a subject, to wit, the one you happen to hold, which is obviously the only "correct" one.

Why do people think they have the right and duty to control and regulate the opinions of others?

Why do they think that if they disapprove of sumthin, that MAKES it bad?

Why are people so weak that they think that disagreement with, or disapproval of, their thoughts or actions is an "insult?"

Why do people think that they have every right to DEMAND, rather than earn, "respect?"

If I don't like dogs, or fishermen, or blacks, or the color yellow, then, for me, any association with such things is sumthin I disapprove of. So what? Why the perceived necessity to MAKE me approve? How can my subjective opinions be an "insult?"

Once again, here's the "non-difficult" proposition:

One Brow said:
It is perjorative to use a word that describes people and turn it into an insult. This is not that dificult a distinction.
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How do you turn a description into an "insult?"

The only way I can makes sense out of your statements, Eric, is to conclude that you in fact equate disapproval with "insult."
 
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This kinda thinkin sometimes gets so distorted than some people treat it as an insult if you even attempt to "describe" anything.

For example, if I say: "Some white guy came up to me and tried to bum a cigarette," you will get a response like this from the "description is a insult" crew:


"You're obviously a racist. Would you have said "black guy," if it had been a black guy who tried to bum the cigarette? Of course you wouldn't. To even mention that the guy was white is obviously just an attempt to insult the white race."

Always cracks me plumb up, I tellya.

If some middle-eastern terrorist says, even in a whisper to his wife, that the U.S. flag symbolizes world-wide oppression and genocide, then clearly we have no choice but to immediately alter our flag. His opinion dictates the reality of the situation. Likewise if some cheese-eater says the confederate flag symbolizes the oppression of blacks. Once that is mentioned, all confederate flags must be confiscated and destroyed.
 
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colton said:
Please note that the word "gay" itself isn't what's causing the issue, at least in my opinion. It's other pejorative terms that people have been using.

In other words, I myself (and probably most of the other mods) would likely not vote for an infraction for someone that just said, "That's so gay". Especially since I moved to Utah 3 years ago I've noticed many people use that phrase in contexts very unrelated to homosexuality.
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Reading between the lines it would appear that Kicky is the lone crusader against using the word gay in a pejorative manner.
 
Marcus said:
Reading between the lines it would appear that Kicky is the lone crusader against using the word gay in a pejorative manner.
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My own damn self, I don't see that between no lines, eh, Marcus? Ya could be right, but all I see is that Colton don't see it that way. But he's only one vote, if he votes.
 
I would say that we can't really know until, in an ex post facto kinda way, someone gets an infraction. But, truth is, even then ya aint gunna know nuthin. Word is that Bum just got an infraction for "runnin afoul" of the "crackdown" demands, but just how he done it aint never revealed.
 
Marcus said:
Reading between the lines it would appear that Kicky is the lone crusader against using the word gay in a pejorative manner.
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Not necessarily. I'm just saying that (in my opinion) the phrase "that's so gay" probably wouldn't result in an infraction because it doesn't carry homosexual implications any more. Again, in my opinion.

However, the third strike for Trout's recent suspension was calling Hayward "Gayward", so at least three moderators voted for that one. (I myself didn't vote on that, but would have likely voted in favor of an infraction or warning, if I had.)
 
colton said:
...calling Hayward "Gayward",.. at least three moderators voted for that one...
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Well, there ya have it, then, eh, Marcus? Ya just about gotta conclude that they word g*y is now taboo.

Would it have been the same if Bum had called him "homosexualward?" I spect so. It's simply an insult, however ya phrase it.
 
bordelais7 said:
Just put the "g" word in the filter and get it over with.

I'd be totally gay with that.
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I'm with Bordy on this. Any and every word which could possibly denote (I won't say it, but you know....) should be inserted into the filter to protect the unwary from fallin into unforseen traps.
 
...or, how about you just don't call players or posters homosexuals in an insulting fashion (using the word "gay" or other worse epithets)? How about that idea?
 
colton said:
...or, how about you just don't call players or posters homosexuals in an insulting fashion (using the word "gay" or other worse epithets)? How about that idea?
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Wouldn't help me none, eh, Colton? I'm too stupid to understand what an "insulting fashion" is, as I think some of my prior posts have demonstrated.

Truth be told, I didn't understand what "homophobic" was supposed to mean, from the git-go.

I'm so stupid that I might have thought that the suggestion that callin sumthin "gay" was an "insult" was an example of extreme homophobia. It suggests that there is sumthin "wrong" with bein g*y, don't it? I'm sure I've said it before, but for the record, let me say it one more time:

"Not that there's anything wrong with that....."
 
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this might be an east:west thing...

out here...i would be embarrassed to say 'thats so gay' in public.

but maybe thats how places like utah get the reputations they have...
 
Suspended for "Gayward"? Why couldn't it be the "stupid" definition. Just like "That's so gay" which is acceptable on the board? Then again, maybe it was just a typo. G and H are right next to each other ya know.
 
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