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J Van Gundy top 3 of nba history stock, malone, and horny

Unfortunately you guys aren't getting it.
Jerry will always be the Jazz coach.
He will never quit, he will never die.

Just to point out what I'm saying --- The bogeyman checks under his bed every night for who????? Jerry Sloan
 
jazzman12 said:
As much as I personally love the Stock/Malone/Horny trifecta, if they were the greatest 3some of all time you'd think they'd been able to beat the Jordan/Pippen/Rodman trio.

Magic/Kareem/Worthy is the best IMO.
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Stock, Malone, and Horny are the best trio of all time.... but unfortunately they ran into the best solo player in the known universe.
He happenned to trump the trio twice, which was unfortunate for them.

Yes, I am talking about Steve Kerr..... who would have 8 championships if he didn't take a break from basketball to try Professional Bingo.
It turns out he wasnt any good.
 
candrew said:
JVG never had even a good PG let alone an all-star in DWill.

When Sloan goes JVG is my choice.

However, I think we all know deep down Greg will probably wuss out and pick Layden.
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He had prime Yao and prime McGrady and couldn't get out of the first round because he was clearly outcoached by Sloan.
 
Darkwing Duck said:
He had prime Yao and prime McGrady and couldn't get out of the first round because he was clearly outcoached by Sloan.
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Prime McGrady couldn't get out of a freaking paper bag, let alone the first round. No need to fault Jeffrey for McGrady's constant ineptitude.
 
A stretch, but from a pure skills standpoint they're in the conversation. The problem with those three - as great as they were - is ultimately size and athleticism. By the time the Jazz got Hornacek, both Malone and Stockton had visibly lost some power and speed, respectively. And Hornacek was undersized and underathletic for his position from the beginning.

But their skillsets and how it all interplayed was close to perfect. At least on O.

Parker/Ginobili/Duncan wasn't/isn't a bad one (in their primes specifically). You can actually see some parallels between them and the Jazz's aforementioned 3, just that Duncan is kind of a rich man's Malone (taller, longer, offers more positional versatility, more complete defender) and Ginobili a rich man's Hornacek (both very crafty and great shooters, but Ginobili is taller and a hell of a lot more athletic which also makes him a terrific defender). Parker isn't much of a Stockton, though you could draw some comparisons as well.
 
Inn Dawn said:
Prime McGrady couldn't get out of a freaking paper bag, let alone the first round. No need to fault Jeffrey for McGrady's constant ineptitude.
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Dude went like 26-6-6 against the Jazz in the playoffs. McGrady wasn't the biggest reason the Rockets didn't win in the playoffs.
 
26-6-6, huh? On what percentages with how many turnovers in how many minutes?

There's more to the game than numbers, and McGrady going, what, 0-7 in playoffs series? isn't a coincidence. Especially when a team that was essentially the same the previous year won a playoff series the following year with him on the bench.

McGrady bridges the gap between winning stars and the biggest mirages in recen history with Steve Francis, Stephon Marbury and Antoine Walker. He had some talent and not a terrible attitude, but he just didn't get it.
 
To be fair to JVG his team leader was T-mac and the team wasn't exactly filled with talent. Guys like Luther Head, Kirk Snyder, Chuck Hayes. And Rafer Alston was the starting PG.
 
Edit: McGrady was a mirage. Marbury and the rest universally made every one of their teams a lot worse.
 
I remember actively cheering every time Rafer took a shot.

On the original topic, from a pure success standpoint it's hard to argue with the classics:

Russell/Havlicek/Cousy
 
NUMBERICA said:
26-6-6, huh? On what percentages with how many turnovers in how many minutes?

There's more to the game than numbers, and McGrady going, what, 0-7 in playoffs series? isn't a coincidence. Especially when a team that was essentially the same the previous year won a playoff series the following year with him on the bench.

McGrady bridges the gap between winning stars and the biggest mirages in recen history with Steve Francis, Stephon Marbury and Antoine Walker. He had some talent and not a terrible attitude, but he just didn't get it.
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And what was his usage rate with Van Gundy as the coach? It looked like during the playoffs, Van Gundy had TWO plays. Dump it in to Yao, and give McGrady the ball. THAT'S IT. Van Gundy CAN'T coach offense. He's HORRIBLE at it. You say look at history. Look at all of Van Gundy's teams. They all sucked at offense. He's a very good defensive coach, but Mike freaking Brown is better at implementing an offensive scheme than Van Gundy.
 
jazzman12 said:
As much as I personally love the Stock/Malone/Horny trifecta, if they were the greatest 3some of all time you'd think they'd been able to beat the Jordan/Pippen/Rodman trio.
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JVG said Stock/Malone/Horny were his favorite threesome to watch <insert joke here> - not the greatest ever.
 
jazzman12 said:
Magic/Kareem/Worthy is the best IMO.
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....back when your head was the size of a grape....there was Paul Westfall, Alvin Adams and a guy named Walter Davis, and it was said they would have never lost a 3 on 3 game of basketball! You had brains, height and quickness beyond your wildest imagination! Late 1970's I believe!
 
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