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Ron Mahoney Sports Illustrated article talking about Alec Burks

Please take me off the edge of my seat! Which 17 year old baby boy who has never played a game of NCAA ball is a near-lock to displace Burks?

Actually, just post the answer in the darft thread so we can lock it. /thread
 
[size/HUGE] fixed [/size];631924 said:
Please take me off the edge of my seat! Which 17 year old baby boy who has never played a game of NCAA ball is a near-lock to displace Burks?

Actually, just post the answer in the darft thread so we can lock it. /thread
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None.
By the time that player replaces Burks, he will have played a full season of NCAA ball and been rated one of the best college players and pro prospects in the world. And I have no doubt that player will have a much higher ceiling than Burks.

Beyond that, though, I'm also saying Burks has the type of game that suits him coming off the bench as the 6th man. And that's not a knock. For many teams, the 6th man is one of their core players. Past "Sixth Man of the Year" award winners like Ginobili, Crawford, Odom and Terry have been great players off the bench. And I'd also add Maggette to that list although he never won the award.
 
Core4 said:
None.
By the time that player replaces Burks, he will have played a full season of NCAA ball and been rated one of the best players in the country.
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I'm sincerely elated that this is inevitable. I'm also happy that the FO is taking this to heart, and that they plan to use Burks accordingly this year, in preparation.
 
[size/HUGE] fixed [/size];631928 said:
I'm sincerely elated that this is inevitable. I'm also happy that the FO is taking this to heart, and that they plan to use Burks accordingly this year, in preparation.
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Corbin already hinted at using Burks as the 6th man in a SL interview. Perhaps not inevitable, but if they see him in that role going forward, then they should see if he can handle that role now. I'd assert the 6th man role is more demanding than being the 5th starter. And stats from teams around the league would support that notion. Many teams have a starter in name only who plays 6-7 mins, then comes out for a better player.
 
Of course this argument is moot if the Jazz start Hayward at SG. Then Burks is the backup behind Hayward. And I doubt even you could argue Alec is better than Gordon.
 
Alec has a lot of potential but needs to start hitting outside shot with more consistency. And he should come off the bench so he can lead the second unit and get more touches which he needs
 
[size/HUGE] fixed [/size];631936 said:
Everybody knows that.

I'm glad you've got Burks figured out. And I wish I was impressed at how well you've got him slotted into some equation.
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It's pretty simple. If Burke wants to be a full time starter, he is going to have to be better than Hayward. One of Burks or Hayward is going to lead the bench. Right now Hayward has the obvious edge. Burks is not competing with Rush (if he is healthy) because Rush fits a slot that Burks just doesn't. I don't think anyone is interested in pushing Burks into the role that Rush will fill because it would be a waste of Burks' other talents.
 
[size/HUGE] fixed [/size];631936 said:
Everybody knows that.

I'm glad you've got Burks figured out. And I wish I was impressed at how well you've got him slotted into some equation.
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So do you think Burks would get more shots playing all his minutes with the other four starters (Hayward, Kanter, Favors and Burke) or by playing perhaps 4-5 mins with some of those players and the rest of his time with Evans, Jefferson, Biedrins, Lucas, etc.?

My contention isn't that Rush (or Jefferson) are BETTER than Burks. I'm saying Alec is better utilized as the 6th man: more touches, more shots, more play-making opportunities. Post-draft, I said Alec could be like a Corey Maggette for Utah. Seldom a starter, but a career average of 16 pts. in 28 mins. and made his living by getting to the line, averaging 7 FT's/game. Not much of a 3-pt threat at only 32%.

I'd suggest there are many parallels between the two, although Maggette was a bit stockier and more physical.
 
By the way, acquiring Rush in that salary dump deal was a complete win. Rush himself may not be the permanent solution at that spot, but it is going to be someone just like him if not better, and it is imperative that our bigs get used to looking for the deadly spot up shooter on the parameter if they get cut off by the double team. It also takes a lot of pressure off of Burke to have to be that guy from day 1. At worst Rush is a highly necessary training dummy.
 
Core4 said:
So do you think Burks would get more shots playing all his minutes with the other four starters (Hayward, Kanter, Favors and Burke) or by playing perhaps 4-5 mins with some of those players and the rest of his time with Evans, Jefferson, Biedrins, Lucas, etc.?

My contention isn't that Rush (or Jefferson) are BETTER than Burks. I'm saying Alec is better utilized as the 6th man: more touches, more shots, more play-making opportunities. Post-draft, I said Alec could be like a Corey Maggette for Utah. Seldom a starter, but a career average of 16 pts. in 28 mins. and made his living by getting to the line, averaging 7 FT's/game. Not much of a 3-pt threat at only 32%.

I'd suggest there are many parallels between the two, although Maggette was a bit stockier and more physical.
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Why is that the question we need to start from? I think Hayward, Favs, Enes, Rush, and Burke would all get more shots in that second group. So, yeah, I think Burks would too.

The starting lineup needs more scoring.
Nobody knows how Rush is doing. Nobody knows how he'll play.
Nobody even knows who Alec Burks is.
Everybody knows that Burks as a benchie is the jazzfanz group think mantra of the summer.
 
[size/HUGE] fixed [/size];631964 said:
Nobody knows how Rush is doing. Nobody knows how he'll play.
Nobody even knows who Alec Burks is.
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Untrue, we have seen a lot of Burke and a lot of Rush there is a decent sample size to extrapolate their future performance as well as to highlight their strengths and weaknesses. Rush may not be able to come back from his injury, which is why we acquired another 3 and D guy. Jazz seem pretty intent on having a guy like that on the team. That guy is not currently Burks. Burks' game fits perfectly for what we need from a bench captain, especially as our bench is ultra weak. Now it is possible that he will blossom into an all star over the course of the season, but it is not likely. If he does, great! Then adjustments can be made.
 
[size/HUGE] fixed [/size];631964 said:
Why is that the question we need to start from? I think Hayward, Favs, Enes, Rush, and Burke would all get more shots in that second group. So, yeah, I think Burks would too.

The starting lineup needs more scoring.
Nobody knows how Rush is doing. Nobody knows how he'll play.
Nobody even knows who Alec Burks is.
Everybody knows that Burks as a benchie is the jazzfanz group think mantra of the summer.
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It's been my mantra since Day 1.
Yes, the starting group needs scoring. But what they most need is spacing, Kanters and Favors are inside players. Hayward handles the ball and drives a lot too. Burke MIGHT provide some outside shooting. What the Jazz really need is a shooter that the interior players can kick the ball out to or Hayward (or Burke) can find after having their drives to the hoop halted. Sorry, I just don't see Alec in the role that the Jazz had for Raja #1 or Korver or even Memo, when AK and Boozer were the interior players.

I'm not down on Burks, I just don't think he and Hayward are complementary wings. Remove Gordon from the lineup and I'd say play Burks and Marvin Williams together. Well, at least the Marvin who was a decent outside shooter in Atlanta. Alternately, I guess you could let Burks drive and tell Gordon he HAS to remain outside as an outlet and 3-pt shooter.
 
Hey, before you dis on Kris, you need to watch this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ny15_LwBZbM

"Nobody will probably care about you, let's be honest."

If he had that killer instinct on the court, he would be unstoppable.
 
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