Study finds religious people are less intelligent then atheists.

[MVP]

I wonder how Dawkins will feel when he finds out that Jews win a disproportionately large # of Nobel Prizes.

I wonder if some Jewish people think about themselves as ethnic rather then religious group though? I personally know few Jewish people who do not follow any Judaism rituals (do not eat kosher food, no brit for boys, never go to synagogue, etc.).
Is it possible to be Jewish atheist?

 

[Deleted member 848]

I wonder how Dawkins will feel when he finds out that Jews win a disproportionately large # of Nobel Prizes.

LOL

I wonder if some Jewish people think about themselves as ethnic rather then religious group though? I personally know few Jewish people who do not follow any Judaism rituals (do not eat kosher food, no brit for boys, never go to synagogue, etc.).
Is it possible to be Jewish atheist?

Hahahahaha. Keep trying.

 

[ema]

I wonder if some Jewish people think about themselves as ethnic rather then religious group though? I personally know few Jewish people who do not follow any Judaism rituals (do not eat kosher food, no brit for boys, never go to synagogue, etc.).
Is it possible to be Jewish atheist?

Nobel prizes are controversial in the first place. And how about the contributions of muslim world to the science and art/literature in the earlier eras? Were they atheist then? Todays muslim world is an entirely different subject to argue though, and yes they practically hold themselves back. But I just don't respect Dawkins because he is obsessed with muslim world and he never ever sees the goods/bads together, to him muslims are pure evil, he is narrow-minded.

 

[MVP]

Hahahahaha. Keep trying.

I am genuinely interested. Found this which just confirms my personal experience.

https://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/religion/story/2011-09-26/jew-atheist-god/50553958/1

"They go because they want some kind of ethnic identity," Magid said. "They don't care about the prayers. It allows them to feel a sense of Jewishness, but has little to do with religion."

That's what prompted Jennifer Cohen Oko, a Washington, D.C.-based writer, to join a Reform synagogue, her first. Neither Cohen nor her husband believe in God, but, like many Jews, they joined for their two children.

"I want my kids to understand they are Jewish, to be proud of being Jewish and to understand their heritage," Cohen said. "And then they'll have a choice. If they want to go that way (towards belief in God), great. If they don't, they'll have a sense of where they came from."

 

[MVP]

But I just don't respect Dawkins because he is obsessed with muslim world and he never ever sees the goods/bads together, to him muslims are pure evil, he is narrow-minded.

I don't think he is obsessed with muslim world any more then with any other religion. To him they all are evil.

 

[ema]

I don't think he is obsessed with muslim world any more then with any other religion. To him they all are evil.

No bro, yes he doesn't like religions at all, but he's definitely obsessed with Islam. Actually he's the definition of islamophobia.

https://www.theguardian.com/science/the-lay-scientist/2013/may/03/atheism-dawkins

https://www.salon.com/2013/08/10/richard_dawkins_does_it_again_new_atheisms_islamophobia_problem/

 

[Deleted member 848]

I don't think he is obsessed with muslim world any more then with any other religion. To him they all are evil.

If so, this is precisely why your article on Judaism and atheism offers zero credence as to how a community tied together by religion, or a culture created by religion has dominated the Nobel prize recipient alumni

 

[margodydek]

I wonder if some Jewish people think about themselves as ethnic rather then religious group though? I personally know few Jewish people who do not follow any Judaism rituals (do not eat kosher food, no brit for boys, never go to synagogue, etc.).
Is it possible to be Jewish atheist?

Judaism can be referred to as both a religion and a race, so to answer your question: yes.

 

[One Brow]

PZ Myers offers a pretty thorough trashing of this study.

 

[CONAN]

I agree in general. I think the faith piece puts us believers in a hole when it comes to coming through every detail of your belief system.

 

[The Black Swordsman]

Doctors are more likely to be religious than the general public.

https://www.uchospitals.edu/news/2005/20050622-religious.html
https://chronicle.uchicago.edu/050714/doctorsfaith.shtml

There are less atheist doctors relative to the general public percent wise.

 

[Harambe]

What do you call the med student that graduates last in his class?


Doctor.


Working with doctors is dramatically hit or miss. there's very little middle ground.

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[Siro]

I agree in general. I think the faith piece puts us believers in a hole when it comes to coming through every detail of your belief system.

Well said. JK.

To answer Colton's question, didn't the article say that they measured average IQ of a random sample of both groups? The article is not surprising at all. It's very hard to argue that atheism and education bear no correlation. It obviously does. And education is very closely linked to IQ scores. So this whole thing is not surprising.

As for Franklin's comment, only a minority of Jews, in general, actually practice the religion, or possess any deep faith. Most are culturally Jewish. That is even more obvious when it comes to the intellectual Jewish clique. But then again, what percentage of biologists or physicists are believers? 5%? Some people manage to have religious faith, while maintaining their scientific objectivity. But it's somewhat difficult.

The nonsensical idea that intelligent people become atheist is just that; nonsense. But access to knowledge does liberalize religious thought in almost every instance.

 

[The Black Swordsman]

Well said. JK.

To answer Colton's question, didn't the article say that they measured average IQ of a random sample of both groups? The article is not surprising at all. It's very hard to argue that atheism and education bear no correlation. It obviously does. And education is very closely linked to IQ scores. So this whole thing is not surprising.

As for Franklin's comment, only a minority of Jews, in general, actually practice the religion, or possess any deep faith. Most are culturally Jewish. That is even more obvious when it comes to the intellectual Jewish clique. But then again, what percentage of biologists or physicists are believers? 5%? Some people manage to have religious faith, while maintaining their scientific objectivity. But it's somewhat difficult.

The nonsensical idea that intelligent people become atheist is just that; nonsense. But access to knowledge does liberalize religious thought in almost every instance.

https://www.adherents.com/people/100_scientists.html

Granted some are wrong like Einstein more deist than Jewish but there is a lot more than 5%.

A lot of atheists say to only include scientists after 1859.

The guy who invented the Internet, Christian. The guy who invented the Radio, Christian.

The greatest Rocket Scientist of all time, Christian.

https://www.people-press.org/2009/07/09/section-4-scientists-politics-and-religion/

48% of scientists say they have a religious affiliation. Not 5%.

The survey also found younger scientists to be "substantially more likely than their older counterparts to say they believe in God". Among the surveyed fields, chemists were the most likely to say they believe in God.

Younger scientists more likely to believe in god. The age of atheism came, it was rampant during the time of red Russia and Cuba. Atheism is declining and atheism in science is no exception.

https://www.scilogs.eu/en/blog/biol...jan-02-2011-jonathan-leake-full-draft-version

 

[colton]

To answer Colton's question, didn't the article say that they measured average IQ of a random sample of both groups?

No, I don't think it said that, but maybe I missed something. And even if it said that, my main question was HOW did they measure IQ?

 

[♪alt13]

I am an atheist and I think this study is silly. It is essentially comparing a group of people who thought long and hard about what their parents told them was the truth against a group of people who thought long and hard about what their parents told them was the truth and people who never bothered to think at all.

As an atheist to atheists get off your high horse. Being an atheist isn't something that you should preach about. It is simply the absence of a faith in god.

You wouldn't preach about the non-existence of unicorns,would you?

 

[♪alt13]

No, I don't think it said that, but maybe I missed something. And even if it said that, my main question was HOW did they measure IQ?

Iq is measured in the most ridiculous way. The IQ score is divided by the age of the person taking the test. If you took an IQ test two years in a row and answered it the same way both times your IQ would go down the second year. It was originally meant to track development in children and has very little significance for adults.

 

[♪alt13]

The greatest Rocket Scientist of all time, Nazi.

Fixed^
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kTKn1aSOyOs

 

[MVP]

. If you took an IQ test two years in a row and answered it the same way both times your IQ would go down the second year.

That IQ test must be really smart to know that if you answered exactly same way ( and I assume made same mistakes) it would indicate that you did not get any more intelligent in 2 years - hence you deserve lower score

 

[LogGrad98]

The test consisted of one question:

1) Do you believe in God?

A) Yes
B) No

If answer is A IQ = 50
If answer is B IQ = 200