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Can we come to a consensus that the Jazz absolutely have to win a minimum of 9 games this season?

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bkralj

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Tanking works for other NBA teams but it will not work for the Jazz because they have no luck after watching this team for the past 20 years. The minute chance of landing a bad draft pick will happen to the Jazz no matter how bad they finish. Therefore, they have to try to win as many games that they can to survive in this league.
 
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Nine? Try 29. The fans in this market are not accustomed to losing, we are spoiled that way. The reason that they are accumulating assets is because they don't want to have to rely on their own draft selection. I guarantee that the team isn't planning on being in the lottery themselves. Of course if it ends up that way, so be it, but they aren't tanking. Besides, the team isn't that bad. Let's look at the primary players and their backups:

Burke: really, the season hinges on his preformance.
Random point guard: yeah, this one is kinda tough, but Lucas is a vet, and he has moxy. Burks might get time here, and he's shown promise.

Burks: core four, nuf said.
Rush: if he heals up, he's a great shooter who is pretty athletic, not a bad backup at all.

Hayward: again, core four.
Marvin: when he's on, he's good. heck, he's getting paid seven mil for what someone saw in him

Favors: four again.
Evans: not really strong or big, but a lot of people like him, and he does bring amazing athletisism.

Kanter: final four.
Biedrins: again, sure he played like crap the last year or two, but he got paid ten millish for something, and he has been a double double guy in his career. And remember, this 'old guy' is only 27

Drinking the coolaid? maybe, but the fact is that if all ten of these guys play to the top of their abilities the team has plenty of talent. If not, there are three or four guys at the end of the bench who either have veteran experience, or are also part of the future of the team.

Does that sound like tanking to you guys? Doesn't to me.
 
I predicted 18 back at the draft, sticking with that.

9 would be awful.

I don't want the jazz in the records book for most loses, or consecutive lost games, or worst defeats.
 
24-33

All depends on the performance of Trey Burke. There is a ton of pressure on him, he's a little undersized, and let's face he choked in summer league. Most likely 24-28.
 
cctrackstar said:
Nine? Try 29. The fans in this market are not accustomed to losing, we are spoiled that way. The reason that they are accumulating assets is because they don't want to have to rely on their own draft selection. I guarantee that the team isn't planning on being in the lottery themselves. Of course if it ends up that way, so be it, but they aren't tanking. Besides, the team isn't that bad. Let's look at the primary players and their backups:

Burke: really, the season hinges on his preformance.
Random point guard: yeah, this one is kinda tough, but Lucas is a vet, and he has moxy. Burks might get time here, and he's shown promise.

Burks: core four, nuf said.
Rush: if he heals up, he's a great shooter who is pretty athletic, not a bad backup at all.

Hayward: again, core four.
Marvin: when he's on, he's good. heck, he's getting paid seven mil for what someone saw in him

Favors: four again.
Evans: not really strong or big, but a lot of people like him, and he does bring amazing athletisism.

Kanter: final four.
Biedrins: again, sure he played like crap the last year or two, but he got paid ten millish for something, and he has been a double double guy in his career. And remember, this 'old guy' is only 27

Drinking the coolaid? maybe, but the fact is that if all ten of these guys play to the top of their abilities the team has plenty of talent. If not, there are three or four guys at the end of the bench who either have veteran experience, or are also part of the future of the team.

Does that sound like tanking to you guys? Doesn't to me.
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I haven't gotten my head around a prediction for the number of wins, but I will say this: expecting great things from the starters night after night is asking too much and the bench will be brutal.

IF Corbin starts Burke, Burks, Hayward, Favors, Kanter (I'm not convinced) they will be great in stretches, OK in stretches and horrible at times. Nature of the beast. They are all ready for more PT but that doesn't mean they are all ready for full-time starter minutes. Ready or not, they will probably get it and that's OK. The bench will suffer more. I can't imagine a unit of Biedrins, Evans, Williams, Rush and Lucas scares anyone. Even if they start Rush and substitute Burks in there, the second unit is weak. IMO the Jazz hopes rest on the starters and they will be up and down. On the nights they are down the bench will not come to the rescue.
 
heyhey said:
24-33

All depends on the performance of Trey Burke.
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If that is true then this season is going to be bad. I don't think he has the ability at this point in his career to lead an NBA team. 24 wins would be very optimistic.
 
orangello said:
If that is true then this season is going to be bad. I don't think he has the ability at this point in his career to lead an NBA team. 24 wins would be very optimistic.
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We have 41 home games and the jazz typically crush lowlanders @ home. To win less than 24 we would have to deliberately lose some games.
 
heyhey said:
We have 41 home games and the jazz typically crush lowlanders @ home. To win less than 24 we would have to deliberately lose some games.
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I bet ESA will be sold out at the beginning of the season due to the excitement of the young guys finally getting playing time, but if we start out as bad as lots of people think (like 2-10), then how big will the crowds be at ESA for the rest of the season? Will we have that great of a home court advantage?
 
spycam1 said:
I bet ESA will be sold out at the beginning of the season due to the excitement of the young guys finally getting playing time, but if we start out as bad as lots of people think (like 2-10), then how big will the crowds be at ESA for the rest of the season? Will we have that great of a home court advantage?
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The fans supported the team in the 26 win year. And that was with a team that was a huge disappointment. Not a team that is expected to be bad to average. I see no reason the fans won't support this team now that they are getting what they have been asking for.
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I personally watched 4 full games last year and parts of 6-8 more. The year before that I watched maybe 8 full games and parts of 10-12 more. This next year I plan on watching lots. I'll watch at least once a week and probably 50% of the games. I'm just far more excited about the team this year than I have been since Deron, Boozer and Memo were here and competing.
 
gregbroncs said:
The fans supported the team in the 26 win year. And that was with a team that was a huge disappointment. Not a team that is expected to be bad to average. I see no reason the fans won't support this team now that they are getting what they have been asking for.
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I personally watched 4 full games last year and parts of 6-8 more. The year before that I watched maybe 8 full games and parts of 10-12 more. This next year I plan on watching lots. I'll watch at least once a week and probably 50% of the games. I'm just far more excited about the team this year than I have been since Deron, Boozer and Memo were here and competing.
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Second.

I went to 1 game last year but I plan to make it to 5-6 this year. I haven't been this excited for the jazz in a long time win or lose.
 
heyhey said:
Second.

I went to 1 game last year but I plan to make it to 5-6 this year. I haven't been this excited for the jazz in a long time win or lose.
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Don't forget that Corbin is still the coach and will probably try to get the most out of Jefferson, Biedrins, Marvin, Clark and the other losers because he is an idiot and Jazz management will give him free reign to do whatever he wants. The excitement begins the day he leaves which I think is far off.
 
cctrackstar said:
Nine? Try 29. The fans in this market are not accustomed to losing, we are spoiled that way. The reason that they are accumulating assets is because they don't want to have to rely on their own draft selection. I guarantee that the team isn't planning on being in the lottery themselves. Of course if it ends up that way, so be it, but they aren't tanking. Besides, the team isn't that bad. Let's look at the primary players and their backups:

Burke: really, the season hinges on his preformance.
Random point guard: yeah, this one is kinda tough, but Lucas is a vet, and he has moxy. Burks might get time here, and he's shown promise.

Burks: core four, nuf said.
Rush: if he heals up, he's a great shooter who is pretty athletic, not a bad backup at all.

Hayward: again, core four.
Marvin: when he's on, he's good. heck, he's getting paid seven mil for what someone saw in him

Favors: four again.
Evans: not really strong or big, but a lot of people like him, and he does bring amazing athletisism.

Kanter: final four.
Biedrins: again, sure he played like crap the last year or two, but he got paid ten millish for something, and he has been a double double guy in his career. And remember, this 'old guy' is only 27

Drinking the coolaid? maybe, but the fact is that if all ten of these guys play to the top of their abilities the team has plenty of talent. If not, there are three or four guys at the end of the bench who either have veteran experience, or are also part of the future of the team.

Does that sound like tanking to you guys? Doesn't to me.
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I'm concerned about Kanter. I hope he's making the most out of his workouts with Malone. I question his seriousness towards the game and hope he doesn't turn into the next Fesenko. He's a guy that needs to be focused all the time and this long term injury that he just had did not help the situation.

What's the deal with RJ? He gets paid $8M a season to do nothing?
 
I think the jazz will win about 30. Should be good enough for an 8th pick (I guess without looking up what a team with that total has traditionally done) if the lottery doesn't break, bit honestly being at that spot before the draw isn't that bad

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My money is on 27 as floor. Above 30 is only possible if it turns out that Favors and Kanter are more developed than people assume.
 
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