Okur's reaction for Kanter's situation
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I looked through the articles. The first one makes its argument primarily through quotations from non-peer reviewed dissertations of master degree students and many of the quotes are taken out of context of the broader argument of the dissertations themselves. Classic example of trying to find evidence to back up a theory, rather than building an argument after an analysis of evidence.
Result: not credible.
The second article is from Middle East Quarterly, published by a highly conservative American think tank that also asserted Saddam had WMDs. From Wikipedia on the aims of the journal:
"One of its goals was also to provide a voice to academics who felt that the mainstream academic press was not giving voice to their views on Islam"
When you're giving voice to folks "outside the mainstream academic press"...
Result: not credible.
The third is a blog devoted to criticizing the Gulen Movement.
Result: it would be hard to get less credible than that
The fourth is a UK magazine that is a total rag and had the intellectual discipline of Glenn Beck or DailyKos.
Result: not credible
I'm willing to hear arguments and learn more, but I'd like to see it from a credible source, such as a mainstream peer-reviewed academic journal, a major and credible newspaper of record, or a well footnoted government policy paper and study.
All of this seems to me like a relatively small group of folks with a political set of beliefs that Gulen challenges and that they're demonizing as a result.
Result: not credible.
The second article is from Middle East Quarterly, published by a highly conservative American think tank that also asserted Saddam had WMDs. From Wikipedia on the aims of the journal:
"One of its goals was also to provide a voice to academics who felt that the mainstream academic press was not giving voice to their views on Islam"
When you're giving voice to folks "outside the mainstream academic press"...
Result: not credible.
The third is a blog devoted to criticizing the Gulen Movement.
Result: it would be hard to get less credible than that
The fourth is a UK magazine that is a total rag and had the intellectual discipline of Glenn Beck or DailyKos.
Result: not credible
I'm willing to hear arguments and learn more, but I'd like to see it from a credible source, such as a mainstream peer-reviewed academic journal, a major and credible newspaper of record, or a well footnoted government policy paper and study.
All of this seems to me like a relatively small group of folks with a political set of beliefs that Gulen challenges and that they're demonizing as a result.
"nerd"
Based on what?
I've known him for three years and he's a great guy, very funny, and is still very fond of his time in Kentucky ... I haven't seen any evidence of what you are alluding to that suggests he's some double-crossing scumbag.
Fixed your typo.
Just to add my two cents I thought I remembered there was a connection between Fenerbahce and the national team. I could be wrong but im pretty sure I read something about that. However I am 100% SURE that the NT team coach blasted Enes last year when he didnt play for Turkey. He even said something to the effect that he may not let Enes play this year. Enes got hurt so it was not an issue but im sure there were hurt feelings. Finally for those of us unfortunate few that watched Turkey play the year Enes was drafted it was clear that asik and enes were the best players and enes got very limited time. When enes was in the guards completely ignored him. Virtually all of his points came from offensive rebounds.
Enes has reasons to be upset with the NT but Enes has to show more maturity. Just because your upset doesnt mean you advertise it. His comments have been misconstrued by an entire nation. He needs to clarify he loves Turkey and hates the politics of the national team.
Enes has reasons to be upset with the NT but Enes has to show more maturity. Just because your upset doesnt mean you advertise it. His comments have been misconstrued by an entire nation. He needs to clarify he loves Turkey and hates the politics of the national team.
MVP
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I do not see any difference from another dude who claimed receiving golden plates from angel Moroni
. Point is - there always will be people who will believe tales like that, nothing you can do about it. Religion is opium for masses. Peace.
I do not see any difference from another dude who claimed receiving golden plates from angel Moroni
Worn tired out crap.
I think it's very true.
Sexual Favors
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Where do you buy your religion at? Is it safe to mix with coke?
It has a similar effect like Mentos.
MVP
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then recycle it or throw it away - it feels good, trust me.
addictionary
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Actually the NCAA thing is kinda connected to the NT thing. Same coach for one thing. And Fenerbahçe has a major major MAJOR MAJOR impact on the Turkish youth talents pool. They got the biggest fishing pole for the lake. I really feel sorry for the kid even though he appears like a real dumb *** when only judged by tweets. But I think he is just a young player that got fame shocked in his early 20ies and actually having a hard time dealing with it. He is not an acehole I think, but he tweets crap for fun, lacking the knowledge that this kind of thing will get your ace busted in your home country man! Don't you know anything?!? Gawl!
OK, first of all, as I said while giving the articles, I found the links from through a superficial search. Though being not credible for your standards doesn't mean they don't hold any truth. Still I'm sure there are countless articles, write ups or even books about the sect, both in favor and against it. So I'm leaving it to you to research for them for your curiosity within your liking of sources.
Another reason I'm leaving it to you to make your own investigation is, the difference between our understanding of credible sources. If NY Times, a mainstream peer-reviewed academic journal, a major newspaper or a government policy paper are your credible sources in such a highly political, un-tangible and a semi-local subject, we will have our differences. Those sources are the ones you have to look into with extra caution in the first place. The most reliable and credible looking one among them, a peer-reviewed academic journal, is still would be heavily western influenced in the world of the current conjuncture.
I'm not saying btw, my sources(which I didn't care much) are better and more credible or anything. I just don't dismiss them like I would not dismiss ANY other sources. Because the eventual source is my mind and I'm confident with it to make my judgement about any fragments of information I receive.
Again, I don't have any ill intent saying this, just suit yourself and search for sources that you like and have an opinion about it, in favor of them or not. I honestly can't care about their image in peoples minds, not one bit.
Another reason that I want to leave this subject here, If I really would have to rant against Gülen sect, I would have to get into the Islamic topics and arguments directly, but I have a principle as a Jazzfanz poster, I don't write or talk about specific Islamic contents in this forum.
Though I will make one, maybe my only exception here, for a little bit humorous end to my rant against Feto.
Enes Kanter is a muslim born young fella, right. Furthermore, the kid is now a faithful servant of the Hizmet(The servant of the service, as he says). If our boy Enes, ever changes his opinions about Islam for any reasons, at any time, if he ever wants to change his beliefs and lets say decides to become a loyal Mormon, I hear Mormon girls are alluring, he then becomes a "Mürted", which basically means "a person who converted from Islam to ANY other belief, including non-believing".
According to the very master of our poor Enes, I mean, according to Fetullah Gülen, if Enes does not abandon his converting and repent in a certain time frame, he loses his life right. Yes, he loses his right to live! He gets executed.
Yes this is a sect of a guy who says a person does not have the right to chose his/her belief if he/she was born as a Muslim.
It's in his books, it's in it websites, it's in his sermons.
https://tr.fgulen.com/content/view/470/3/
For more humor, here in this video, he tells about how Prophet Mohammed came to him and they talked about Turkey's politics/problems.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fFzMdbQUPkk
This guy is not sane, I pity him, but I pity millions of his followers even more. And if he is sane by any chance and has a perfectly healthy mind, then he is a flat out liar and a fake clergymen who runs his business through religious feelings of millions of people.
So the last thing I will say about this topic is the first thing I said about it. I stand by my original statement. Enes has to stay away from this sect. At least to reduce the possibility of an NBA player to be executed for the first time in the history...
After reading all of this I am happy that we finally got our own big tough headcase. I am totally happy that he opted to bang porn stars, trash talk on twitter NT coaches who had said and probably done bad things to him and have an affair with a questionable sect without all drugs, guns, freak appearance, wife beating and other **** that normally comes with being a headcase in the NBA. Karl Malone was a good example of a moderate headcase. Enes just needs his Stockton.
