Will there be American invasion in Syria?
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The Thriller
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What's the difference between a few thousand killed in Syria by chem chems and the millions slaughtered in Rwanda by machetes? Are people any less or more dead by chemical weapons?
It seems to me if the "world" cares about moralty, they wouldn't have just sat on their hands as they knew that horrible genocide was happening in Africa. Many Eurotrash officiala cut and ran just as millions needed them the most.
If the USA cared about "sending a message" then they maybe should have out a stop to the genocide in Rwanda. This would have demonstrated that we don't care who or what you are, mass killings will not be tolerated.
The Thriller
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So what's preventing Asswad from obtaining chem chems here in a few months? Hell, this could be kinda fun! Much like March Madness or the Super Bowl! Every few months we could bomb Assad's newest chemical weapons!
And as far as Onama's claim that Asswad might give some chem chems to terrorists... Ummmm... What's stopping terrorists from obtaining WMDs from any other source? *cough* Iran *cough*
I think there's a mistaken notion that American intervention makes things better. In reality, it oftentimes makes it worse. Again, see our last 2 Eagle Scout projects. We will all be paying them off for the rest of our living lives. And thousands of adults will never see their families again. Yet, both countries are just as bad if not worse. So hell, why not make it 3? 3 nations to rebuild in just 13 years! Yipee! Murika!
It's funny to see the same folks bash our government over health care and virtually everything else yet desire for our government to intervene in other countries. If our government is so incompetent and corrupt then why do we want to spread it into other countries so much? If it can't handle health care here in the USA then how the hell will it handle rebuilding another nation of such different culture and history?
s far as credibility goes, we have credibility to lose still? Wow! I'm impressed! I thought we lost all credibility when we told the world that we would stand with S. Vietnam against Communism! Or that we weren't doing contras. Or that Saddam had WMDs!
Now, all of a sudden, Syria will sink our credibility ship?!
Folks, im sure the world will give us another chance to test our credibility. Lets just use it on a war that we actually support and on one that we can actually win.
I'm a ****ing maverick man. Tigers blood. I spit out the truth, don't care if I piss off libtards or consermorons. Someone try and dispute my posts. I dare you. I don't let petty political games cloud my judgment. You may not like my style but you folks really can't disagree with a word that I'm saying. I'm right. You know I am.
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The Thriller
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The issue here isn't whether or not Syria has WMDs. If we were to attack every country who has WMDs then we'd be off to war against Russia, China, and many of our most closest allies. Hell, we would have to bomb ourselves since we are one of the world's leaders in WMDs!
The issue is Asswad using them. Now what proof do we have that he even used them? Has the UN report proven that yet or does it have yet to come in? Now why would Asswad even need to use them? How do we know that Al-Queda didn't obtain them and use them in some Syrians? Or framed Asswad? How do we know for sure that they were even used?
To me, lets call their bluff. If we do nothing, then their plan to have us do their fighting against Asswad for them will have backfired. If we do nothing but it really was Asswad? Meh. Who cares? As long as he doesn't do it again who cares? Ultimately, our message was sent and received. If we do nothing and he does it again, then we will have a surety that he really is a jerk face and maybe just maybe someone closer to the situation will fix him for us. Does Putin really want to be seen by the international community as a supporter of a serial gasser?
♪alt13
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♪alt13
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I really think you are being a smidgeon naive.
I never claimed it was Assad. Only provided news reports. Putin is already seen as backing a gasser by half the world.
I like how you are trying to convince me of a stance I already have.
If those with machetes boil over into another nation, they can be stopped. Chemical Weapons... not quite as easily if at all.
Should we be doing something about all the fighting in Africa? Probably. And if I had a good answer to that, I'd provide it. But I just don't. Short of coming in, installing a government of our own, AND staying there for 10+ years with a huge military force, I just don't see a good answer existing.
But that raises another question; if everything we ever do is because of the dollah bling, why don't we own the diamond and mineral mines in Africa?
You say only that there's no benefit to weakening Assad. That's all you say. You don't say I'll do this, or I'll do that.
I'll put what I think you're saying here:
"I'm totally cool with Assad using any and all weapons he has to crush the rebels, including but not limited to the chemical variety"
Which is exactly what we don't(read; shouldn't) want anyone to do, let alone someone trying to crush the rebel scum of their own country.
I'm going to stop you right there, as I feel this is the heart of your statement. Let's start here.
If we don't give him enough rope to hang himself with, we're the dictator. The world already see's us as world police, lets not make it any worse.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...cf2ed8-1b0c-11e3-a628-7e6dde8f889d_story.html
US weapons, medical kits, communications gear and vehicles are being provided to the Syrian rebels.
US weapons, medical kits, communications gear and vehicles are being provided to the Syrian rebels.
I could see some would think that. And I think in some situations those few could be right. We'll find out in the near future if this is one of those times, won't we?
The decision to do this, it seems, was made months ago.
I don't particularly care for this decision.
Not funny.
Yes it was but the follow thru is recent. I am not a fan of it either. Especially since, in my opinion, it undermines the diplomacy that is going on now in regards to Syria's chemical weapons.
Lighten up. It was a lame joke but really?
mellow
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Just wondering how Americans would feel if they found out Russia, or China, or Iran or Saudi Arabia was supporting American factions such as Soverign Citizens, or Nation of Islam or La Mirada Locos ?
We would be pissed and rightfully so. So the people pissed at America for this have every right to be.
If I was a Syrian citizen I'd be pissed, just absolutely livid, at Saudi Arabia. They sent over 1,000 death row inmates to fight in Syria in place of execution.
This thing is so messy and so convoluted that America needs to resist joining either side. Work to save the citizens, the innocents, and resist the rebels and the government.
Are we the rebels or the Soverign Citizens?
They are not always mutually inclusive or exclusive.