I wonder if Raja Bell has been listening to "Yesterday" by the Beatles.
Clippers @ Jazz | Saturday November 6th @ 7pm
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ha ha, for me it was when Kaman was shooting free throws towards the end of the 4th qtr and Boler was talking about how the Clippers were making all their free throws. He makes the first and Harp implies that kind of talk is bad luck. But Boler says he's using reverse psychology, so when Kaman misses the second free throw, Harp and Boler get all excited and start exclaiming "We did it!!!"
I hope somebody can post that on you tube or something.
candrew
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You can't have Fes and Kaman on the court at the same time - that's more HD ugly than my TV can handle.
Marty McFly
Well-Known Member
No mentions of Jefferson's defense on Kaman down the stretch?
Jefferson played great defense on Kaman down the stretch.
Jefferson played great defense on Kaman down the stretch.
memo is money
Active Member
It was a fun game, an overtime thriller. However, it cannot let us ignore the fact that Jazz sucked big time.
- I'm not sold on defensive improvement or whatsoever.
- I have always said that Carlos Boozer does not box out his man to help his teammates clear the boards, instead he does try to outjump his opponents and get it by himself. I criticised him but I realised that he did a great job grabbing those boards even if he did not try to box his man out as much and effective as I wanted. Memo and even Fes should teach these so-called "bigmen" how to put a body on your opponent even if it means sacrifising your rebound stats. Rebounding is a team work, OK, and wings and guards should help out bigs but the bigger portion of this duty is on frontcourt players. One cannot blame players for not getting long rebounds after badly missed threes but this team should and have to dominate the boards no matter what.
- There have been lots of ignorants telling that "spreading the floor" is overrated. These two games are clear proofs or what "SPREADING THE FLOOR" and "FLOOR SPACING" really are and how IMPORTANT they are for teams, especially for Jazz, who needs perfect execution of using passing lanes and cuts, inside lob passes. I do not know if somebody could make a video of all the offensive positions played on Millsap and Jefferson but if we can see those, it can clearly be figured out that nothing came easy for them through most of the game. The Jazz are known as a perfect half-court offensive team but the relatively easy one baskets for our big guys came in transition or after a surprising position.
- I'm not sold on Millsap/AJ duo. I do not care how many points each of them score. They were totally outplayed by the rokkie and Kaman most of the time and they were inefficient. Millsap is an incredible player, he does not a set play called for him to get his points, assists, he has a knack, he can make proper adjustments in the game and find a way to impact the game positively. However, when they play together, our offense becomes too stagnant and players are forced to be creative. One thing that seperates the Jazz system from others is this system is already creative and near perfect, it need players to execute perfectly, which needs harmony, spacing, court awareness from all 5 players, body sacrifise etc.
- I only remember 2-3 positions then Al scored after a pass he took from Deron. Pick'n roll is just not there. Al Jefferson does not have the same finishing ability as even Millsap, forget about Boozer for a second. His court-awareness has got to be improved. The passes he gives are ordinary, I can give them too, they are safe, uncontested, zero risk passes. Up-and-under move, OK we get it, what else? I have not seen much. Even he gets comfortable in what he is doing, it will not help the overall harmony and flow of this team's offense unless he reads the defense, make quick adjustments and can distribute from post. I remember an AK three from the corner in 3rd quarter of the game, there was a nice feed by Paul, who passed the ball to open AK as soon as he got the ball. It is about reading the game and being aware of what's going on.
- Bench looks deep and versatile on the paper, but has sub-zero effect on the games. Fesenko deserves to play more he looks comfortable and pretty confident on what he is doing. I respect the veteran Elson, however he can be considered a rokkie in this complicated, new system, whereas Fes has already been with this team for years.
- Say hello to JR Smith 2.0 "CJ Miles". Raja should have played more.
- I'm not sold on defensive improvement or whatsoever.
- I have always said that Carlos Boozer does not box out his man to help his teammates clear the boards, instead he does try to outjump his opponents and get it by himself. I criticised him but I realised that he did a great job grabbing those boards even if he did not try to box his man out as much and effective as I wanted. Memo and even Fes should teach these so-called "bigmen" how to put a body on your opponent even if it means sacrifising your rebound stats. Rebounding is a team work, OK, and wings and guards should help out bigs but the bigger portion of this duty is on frontcourt players. One cannot blame players for not getting long rebounds after badly missed threes but this team should and have to dominate the boards no matter what.
- There have been lots of ignorants telling that "spreading the floor" is overrated. These two games are clear proofs or what "SPREADING THE FLOOR" and "FLOOR SPACING" really are and how IMPORTANT they are for teams, especially for Jazz, who needs perfect execution of using passing lanes and cuts, inside lob passes. I do not know if somebody could make a video of all the offensive positions played on Millsap and Jefferson but if we can see those, it can clearly be figured out that nothing came easy for them through most of the game. The Jazz are known as a perfect half-court offensive team but the relatively easy one baskets for our big guys came in transition or after a surprising position.
- I'm not sold on Millsap/AJ duo. I do not care how many points each of them score. They were totally outplayed by the rokkie and Kaman most of the time and they were inefficient. Millsap is an incredible player, he does not a set play called for him to get his points, assists, he has a knack, he can make proper adjustments in the game and find a way to impact the game positively. However, when they play together, our offense becomes too stagnant and players are forced to be creative. One thing that seperates the Jazz system from others is this system is already creative and near perfect, it need players to execute perfectly, which needs harmony, spacing, court awareness from all 5 players, body sacrifise etc.
- I only remember 2-3 positions then Al scored after a pass he took from Deron. Pick'n roll is just not there. Al Jefferson does not have the same finishing ability as even Millsap, forget about Boozer for a second. His court-awareness has got to be improved. The passes he gives are ordinary, I can give them too, they are safe, uncontested, zero risk passes. Up-and-under move, OK we get it, what else? I have not seen much. Even he gets comfortable in what he is doing, it will not help the overall harmony and flow of this team's offense unless he reads the defense, make quick adjustments and can distribute from post. I remember an AK three from the corner in 3rd quarter of the game, there was a nice feed by Paul, who passed the ball to open AK as soon as he got the ball. It is about reading the game and being aware of what's going on.
- Bench looks deep and versatile on the paper, but has sub-zero effect on the games. Fesenko deserves to play more he looks comfortable and pretty confident on what he is doing. I respect the veteran Elson, however he can be considered a rokkie in this complicated, new system, whereas Fes has already been with this team for years.
- Say hello to JR Smith 2.0 "CJ Miles". Raja should have played more.
englishJazz
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In a double overtime game? My Mum could put those stats up.
Marty McFly
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You're a moron.
Hopper
Banned
Looky here, eh?:
"It is not the critic who counts, nor the man who points how the strong man stumbled or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena; whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly...who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, and spends himself in a worthy cause; who, at best, knows the triumph of high achievement; and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who know neither victory nor defeat."
Theodore Roosevelt, 1910
"It is not the critic who counts, nor the man who points how the strong man stumbled or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena; whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly...who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, and spends himself in a worthy cause; who, at best, knows the triumph of high achievement; and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who know neither victory nor defeat."
Theodore Roosevelt, 1910
It's only the sixth game of the season. Allow this team some time to grow together. If and when they become more consistent, I think that they have a lot of potential. Let's also not forget that we are still playing without Memo. He will give us a consistent scoring option of the bench. And to the poster who talked about how the Jazz have only been really good when they've played a certain way in the past: well, obviously those ways did not work, because Utah STILL has not won an NBA Championship. I believe that the Jazz have FINALLY found their "Big 3" (Williams, Millsap, Jefferson) that will push them over the top. Kirilenko is a solid player as a fourth option. I think that Raja Bell will fit in very well with the starters because he doesn't need to score to be effective. He just has to play great defense on players like Kobe, Dwayne Wade, et cetera and hit the occasional three-pointer. The Jazz have always only had TWO players that could be considered stars. Do you realize that Williams, Millsap, and Jefferson are ALL averaging over 20 points per game? If the Jazz have a really good record by the All-Star break, all three could possibly be under All-Star Game consideration. All we need now is consistent bench scoring. We lose our scoring punch once our starters leave the court. I believe we get this when Memo comes back. The Jazz have never had a team with this makeup. This might be the core that finally gets us our long suffering championship, my friends. We might not get it this year, but it may come eventually. Right now, the Jazz might have the best 1-2 punch front court in the Western Conference.
LjJazzman
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I keep thinking to myself, man this team COULD be really really good, we just need another decent player. It would be best if that player could shoot, also if that player could be a big that would be perfect. If only there was someone out there that could come help this team later this season.
Hopper
Banned
Pappy, another post or two like that and yo gunna lose yo Jazzfanz credentials. Best watch it.
Given his $10M salary, I'd hope Mehmet Okur would help. I'm still wondering if Millsap can play some minutes at the SF spot.
Fishsticks
Banned
Not going to read this whole thing, but i am sure someone said the CJ is a piece of trash and I just want to chime in to echo. He is terrible. I dont care how many "great" games he has, this stinkers make him a crap player. Every games stat line shows he is purely a chucker. I was praying Sloan would put Raja in during OT just because I knew he would not take a bad shot.
CareySkyScurry
Member
My problem with CJ is actually Sloan. How come he gives a player that shoots 1-13 (many of the shots contested or fading away) such a long leash?
Fishsticks
Banned
It does appear Sloan has mild bromance going on with young CJ.