Burglar Shot Dead

[Archie Moses]

So I'm a moron because I think if you're threatened to the point (home invasion) where you have to fire a gun you should use real bullets instead of rubber bullets? Seriously?

Please award me "moran" of the year then! I'll own that moronship any time of the year.

 

[Archie Moses]

Well said. But I still think people should consider ways to disable an intruder before thinking of ways to outright kill them. I'd like to see how these gun-touting hard asses would react if they shot some teenage kid to death because they entered their house.

I agree that they are justified in doing whatever they want, but you don't want killing some kid to be on your conscience. I can guarantee that if you have any sympathy for anything at all, if you killed somebody you'd think back to the situation a hundred times wondering if you made the right choice. Anybody saying "It's the right choice! I'd never regret it" is obviously talking out of their *** considering I'm positive they've never killed a civilian in their life.

It would totally suck if I shot and killed a guy. I would never get over it and I would have to live with knowing that for the rest of my life. I wish that feeling on no one. With that being said, it would suck a hell of a lot more if I didn't do something I could have and my family was injured, raped, or murdered. You tell me what would you rather live with?

Air soft gun for protection for the win!

 

[unluckyseventeen]

The injuries above looks to be from something a lot bigger than bullets that would fit in most homeowner's hand guns. So are you saying homeowners should have this instead:

Okay, what about this?

https://www.mindfully.org/Health/2002/Rubber-Bullets-Israeli-Arab25may02F2.jpg

(Not posting the picture directly as some might find it overly graphic - follow the link)

Those look small enough to be inflicted by small arms. And yes, if you are buying a weapon for your protection, you should buy something designed to harm somebody rather than designed to kill somebody. I don't think I need to bring up the statistics on weapons in the home discharged on people living within the home versus actually dangerous people, do I?

I mean, it's your right to do whatever you want to an intruder. But, it'd be easier living knowing you shot the **** out of somebody with a stun gun and got them arrested versus killing them and dealing with knowing you took a life of a civilian. I don't need to kill somebody to appreciate that every life is important to somebody, and that ending it unnecessarily is going to cause ripples that you are, in more than one way, responsible for.

 

[C l u t c H 385]

Okay, what about this?

https://www.mindfully.org/Health/2002/Rubber-Bullets-Israeli-Arab25may02F2.jpg

(Not posting the picture directly as some might find it overly graphic - follow the link)

Those look small enough to be inflicted by small arms. And yes, if you are buying a weapon for your protection, you should buy something designed to harm somebody rather than designed to kill somebody. I don't think I need to bring up the statistics on weapons in the home discharged on people living within the home versus actually dangerous people, do I?

I mean, it's your right to do whatever you want to an intruder. But, it'd be easier living knowing you shot the **** out of somebody with a stun gun and got them arrested versus killing them and dealing with knowing you took a life of a civilian. I don't need to kill somebody to appreciate that every life is important to somebody, and that ending it unnecessarily is going to cause ripples that you are, in more than one way, responsible for.

I'll take my chances hitting someone once to incapacitate them rather than have to hit them multiple times to maybe get the job done. Agree to disagree I guess. That doesn't make anyone who chooses their family's safety over that of some scuzzbag a moron.

 

[unluckyseventeen]

So I'm a moron because I think if you're threatened to the point (home invasion) where you have to fire a gun you should use real bullets instead of rubber bullets? Seriously?

Please award me "moran" of the year then! I'll own that moronship any time of the year.

No, you are what you are because you find some obscure youtube video and some pictures of BB gun wounds and act like it's evidence to refute what I'm saying. You still miss the point, and you still are what you are. Once again, trying to educate you is pointless.

There's a middle ground between your death and an intruder's death. The fact that you're not even willing to acknowledge that is why you fail, continuously.

 

[unluckyseventeen]

I'll take my chances hitting someone once to incapacitate someone rather than have to hit them multiple times to maybe get the job done. Agree to disagree I guess. That doesn't make anyone who chooses their family's safety over that of some scuzzbag a moron.

I can agree to disagree, but that doesn't mean I'm putting the value of some moron's life over my own, because it shouldn't ever reach the point of comparing the two. That's what I think everyone is missing. If you want to shoot them, shoot them. But enjoy living with those consequences because you wouldn't consider any alternatives.

 

[Archie Moses]

No, you are what you are because you find some obscure youtube video and some pictures of BB gun wounds and act like it's evidence to refute what I'm saying. You still miss the point, and you still are what you are. Once again, trying to educate you is pointless.

There's a middle ground between your death and an intruder's death. The fact that you're not even willing to acknowledge that is why you fail, continuously.

A rubber bullet is still a rubber bullet.

There is a middle line, but one person is the criminal with bad intentions who could cause hell for a family. All I'm saying is, if you don't want to get shot, stay out of someone's house. Bottom line. Period point blank.

 

[C l u t c H 385]

No, you are what you are because you find some obscure youtube video and some pictures of BB gun wounds and act like it's evidence to refute what I'm saying. You still miss the point, and you still are what you are. Once again, trying to educate you is pointless.

There's a middle ground between your death and an intruder's death. The fact that you're not even willing to acknowledge that is why you fail, continuously.

Sure there's a middle ground, it may be the guy running. It may be the guy beating you senseless. It may be the guy raping your family members. It may be the guy lighting your child on fire and getting off on the pain from a welt from a rubber bullet.

It's up to you to decide where you wanna gamble I guess. I love gambling, be it poker, black jack, sports betting, etc. I wouldn;t gamble in a case like this though. if i can take the ****er out I'm doing it. I don't care who is offended by it or thinks it's stupid.

 

[unluckyseventeen]

It's up to you to decide where you wanna gamble I guess. I love gambling, be it poker, black jack, sports betting, etc. I wouldn;t gamble in a case like this though. if i can take the ****er out I'm doing it. I don't care who is offended by it or thinks it's stupid.

That's fine, but I still believe you're selling short the kind of damage alternative weapons can do. Afterall, I could say the same about regular guns with regular bullets. You could miss. You could not wake up if they quietly entered through a window or something.

Ultimately, I think break-ins are fear mongering at their most refined. In most cases, you're going to get broken in when the burglars know you aren't home, most cases they will be somebody you know, and in most cases if they did hear somebody in the house, they'd run away. The chances of some psychopath entering your house when they knew you were there, and having some sort of altercation, are so low they're barely worth mentioning. The chances of being broken into at all are still ridiculously low. So, regardless of what everyone's opinions are, the chances of the situation actually happening is really low, and chances are a lot of peoples' actions would be nothing like what they'd envision, anyway.

 

[C l u t c H 385]

That's fine, but I still believe you're selling short the kind of damage alternative weapons can do. Afterall, I could say the same about regular guns with regular bullets. You could miss.

K, but if you miss with a rubber bullet now you have to take the time to switch to regular bullets while the enraged intruder charges (or shoots back) you rather than merely pulling the trigger again.

You could not wake up if they quietly entered through a window or something.

I don't see how this is relevant.

Ultimately, I think break-ins are fear mongering at their most refined. In most cases, you're going to get broken in when the burglars know you aren't home, most cases they will be somebody you know, and in most cases if they did hear somebody in the house, they'd run away. The chances of some psychopath entering your house when they knew you were there, and having some sort of altercation, are so low they're barely worth mentioning. The chances of being broken into at all are still ridiculously low. So, regardless of what everyone's opinions are, the chances of the situation actually happening is really low, and chances are a lot of peoples' actions would be nothing like what they'd envision, anyway.

Well yea, but the whole point was 'what would ya do in the given situation.' Should we never talk about what the Jazz should do? It's much less likely we will ever be the coach or GM of the Jazz than we are to have someone break into our house.

 

[Archie Moses]

That's fine, but I still believe you're selling short the kind of damage alternative weapons can do. Afterall, I could say the same about regular guns with regular bullets. You could miss. You could not wake up if they quietly entered through a window or something.

Ultimately, I think break-ins are fear mongering at their most refined. In most cases, you're going to get broken in when the burglars know you aren't home, most cases they will be somebody you know, and in most cases if they did hear somebody in the house, they'd run away. The chances of some psychopath entering your house when they knew you were there, and having some sort of altercation, are so low they're barely worth mentioning. The chances of being broken into at all are still ridiculously low. So, regardless of what everyone's opinions are, the chances of the situation actually happening is really low, and chances are a lot of peoples' actions would be nothing like what they'd envision, anyway.

lol
According to a United States Department of Justice report:

* 38 percent of assaults and 60 percent of rapes occur during home invasions
* One in five homes undergoes a home invasion or break-in
* There are more than 8,000 home invasions every day in North America
* 50 percent of home invasions involve the use of a weapon; the most common weapons used are knives or other cutting instruments
* In 48 percent of home invasions, victims sustain physical injuries
* Victims age 60 or older make up 17 percent of home invasion victims
* In 68 percent of home invasions, victims and the accused are strangers; in 11 percent of these cases, victims and the accused are friends, business associates, or family

 

[C l u t c H 385]

Even assuming those numbers are true, you also need to remember that many crimes go unreported.

 

[unluckyseventeen]

K, but if you miss with a rubber bullet now you have to take the time to switch to regular bullets while the enraged intruder charges (or shoots back) you rather than merely pulling the trigger again.

Why would you have to switch? You can do the same with rubber bullets.

I don't see how this is relevant.

Just presenting other reasonable ways in which your scenario wouldn't play out the way you had envisioned.

 

[Archie Moses]

Even assuming those numbers are true, you also need to remember that many crimes go unreported.

Which ups the numbers even more. Unlucky is acting like home invasions are as rare as shark attacks or Vinylone getting some.

 

[TheDude]

UL17... sorry, but you are a moron. I am not saying that this intruder had any intention to hurt the family, but you don't take that chance. Rubber bullets, I am sure, hurt very bad but they don't provide stopping power. There are real bullets that don't provide stopping power.

So if the guy comes in with a gun, I shoot him with my rubber bullet, he doubles over in pain, then gathers himself and shoots me with his 9mm, then I have not protected myself or my family.

 

[C l u t c H 385]

Why would you have to switch? You can do the same with rubber bullets.

k, so if someone is charging at you, with or without a weapon, or begins firing back you would prefer rubber bullets to real ones? Sorry, not me. There's no way to test it but I would think the guy with real bullets makes it out a higher % of the time.

Just presenting other reasonable ways in which your scenario wouldn't play out the way you had envisioned.

Neither form of weapon comes into play if he walks in takes ****, rapes your child, or kills you before you wake up. Still doesn't seem relevant to the conversation to me.

 

[unluckyseventeen]

* 38 percent of assaults and 60 percent of rapes occur during home invasions
- Where else would they happen? That seems pretty obvious to me.

* One in five homes undergoes a home invasion or break-in
- And how many of them involve a violent altercation? Conveniently left out, I see.

* There are more than 8,000 home invasions every day in North America
- Most of which I'm sure occur in bad neighborhoods. How many of us here live in bad neighborhoods?

* 50 percent of home invasions involve the use of a weapon; the most common weapons used are knives or other cutting instruments
- OK?

* In 48 percent of home invasions, victims sustain physical injuries
- Note how they use "home invasions" meaning that the person is home when they enter the house. Otherwise, it's a break-in.

* Victims age 60 or older make up 17 percent of home invasion victims
- ..K?

* In 68 percent of home invasions, victims and the accused are strangers; in 11 percent of these cases, victims and the accused are friends, business associates, or family
- Once again, "home invasions". People who know the person they're breaking into won't break in when they're home. They usually know there's some good stuff in there because they've been in there, and they know when the family won't be home. Home invasions are almost always random, but note how there's no statistic of the likelihood of a random home invasion happening to any given person in an average housing situation.

You need to learn to read statistics before you blindly post them and act like they've refuted anything I've said. Again, your clowning is at an all-time high in this thread. Are you ever going to get it?

 

[unluckyseventeen]

UL17... sorry, but you are a moron. I am not saying that this intruder had any intention to hurt the family, but you don't take that chance. Rubber bullets, I am sure, hurt very bad but they don't provide stopping power. There are real bullets that don't provide stopping power.

So if the guy comes in with a gun, I shoot him with my rubber bullet, he doubles over in pain, then gathers himself and shoots me with his 9mm, then I have not protected myself or my family.

From a guy that hasn't ever posted anything and I'm sure came out of the woodworks to respond to this fear mongering and overall ignorance spread in this thread, trust me, your comments don't mean anything to me. Thanks. Bye.

 

[Archie Moses]

You need to learn to read statistics before you blindly post them and act like they've refuted anything I've said. Again, your clowning is at an all-time high in this thread. Are you ever going to get it?

You just don't get it, do you?

Do you lock your doors to your home?

 

[TroutBum]

From a guy that hasn't ever posted anything and I'm sure came out of the woodworks to respond to this fear mongering and overall ignorance spread in this thread, trust me, your comments don't mean anything to me. Thanks. Bye.

This might just be the stupidest response to anyone/anything I've ever read. Thanks. Bye.