Archie Moses
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unlucky to home invasions = beantown to religion.
Cops should use rubber bullets!!!!
Cops should use rubber bullets!!!!
Burglar Shot Dead
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Fear mongering? C'mon dude.
unluckyseventeen
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If they have the intention of entering your house and shooting you dead, your percentages of winning are still pretty sketchy compared to where you'd ideally like to be.
What would most likely happen, if somebody entered your front door and you were asleep, is that you'd wake up, you'd stand guard at a point where you know they'd have to cross (as in, you already have an advantage), you'd shout something to them to tell them to get out, or you'd start firing your weapon.
If you fire real bullets, without shouting - You don't alert them before they have the chance to react, but you risk killing them quickly without figuring out what the real situation was, and you might have killed somebody that was drunk/high and just doing something stupid, as opposed to having an intention of hurting you or your family.
If you fire rubber bullets, without shouting - You don't alert them before they get nailed by a few stun rounds, and at that point you have a huge advantage considering they're in tremendous pain, you're still relatively covered and they still don't really know where you are considering all they felt were a bunch of stun rounds hitting them. You don't risk killing somebody that might be doing something stupid and relatively harmless.
If you shout - The person is alerted to your general area. You then risk them charging you or doing something quickly without you being able to react first. This is where your situation of "what if they charge you" would come up much more than any other.
Overall, the rubber bullets firing first and asking questions later seems like the least risk to both be discovered and lose the fight, and kill somebody that shouldn't deserve to be killed.
Quite the fear-mongering response. You were presenting variables that would foil my strategy. I'm simply doing the same and stating that no matter what solution you come up with, it will always have holes and you shouldn't act as if your strategy is fool proof any more than mine is.
unluckyseventeen
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I don't get what? That I should go find obscure youtube videos, pictures of BB guns, random statistics or something not relating to anything anybody ever said to prove my point? Is that the proper way to present an argument?
One concern I have not seen discussed: innocent bystanders. When you fire a gun with a metal bullet, sometimes you will miss, and sometimes it will go throught he person you hit without strking a bone. There can be people in the next yard, next house, etc. that wind up being hit by your bullet, especially if you are shooting someone outside, as this homeowner was.
Since there is no evidence that any sort of weapon was available in the Hayes case, it has no bearing on the "shoot first" or "warn first" discussion that I can determine. Nor is that type of case common enough that I find it worth shooting first over.
Since there is no evidence that any sort of weapon was available in the Hayes case, it has no bearing on the "shoot first" or "warn first" discussion that I can determine. Nor is that type of case common enough that I find it worth shooting first over.
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Never said it was fool proof. Just that I'd prefer the option that gives ME and MY family a better chance to survive. I don't care if he's drunk or high. He's breaking the law. Should we not prosecute drunk drivers?
C l u t c H 385
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You were the one that started with the bruise pictures.
So my post count throws out the argument?
Seems to me like you have no answer for it. Ask anyone that has been in combat.... shooting someone with a real bullet does not always stop them.
C l u t c H 385
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I hope you never change.
In what regard? That private citizens should not be allowed to own firearms?
From reading your posts I feel fairly confident in saying that you've never been robbed at knife point, had a gun stuck in your face or have never had your home broken into. You cannot imagine the sense of violation you feel when you get home from work and find your front door has been busted open using a pry bar. As you walk through the house every cupboard, drawer and shelf has been opened and upturned by some lazy turd that finds taking your hard earned stuff is preferable to him going out and getting a job and earning his own money. You seriously do not feel safe in your own home for several weeks. It's a feeling that I would not wish on anybody. Thankfully I was single and living alone at the time so my wife and kids did not have to experience it.
Hopefully you never have to experience your home being broken into either. Especially in the middle of the night while you and your family are sleeping. If it does happen to you I really hope that you have means to protect yourself beyond harsh language and phone.
unluckyseventeen
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If your first sentence is "you're a moron" and you've been here for 5 minutes, why should I assume you have any credibility and respond to somebody insulting me right out of the gate? Seems like a waste of time.
I've provided plenty of answers. If you'd read first, it'd really help you. Just a wacky suggestion.
Archie Moses
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What does a criminal who breaks into a home deserve? Does the home owner not deserve to protect his property, self, and family?
Archie Moses
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FYI, I'm not a republican, hack.
Archie Moses
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So if you have more posts you're allowed to call someone a "moron"?
unluckyseventeen
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Should you kill anybody that ever breaks a law?
You've never heard of somebody drunkenly or whatever else entering a house that wasn't their own, mistaking it for a friend's house or something? I've had at least a few friends that have encountered a similar situation - they wake up and there's some stranger sleeping on their couch that nobody has ever seen or heard of. They should shoot on sight?
It's really amusing how people don't even consider the hundreds of different circumstances that could surround a break-in, and immediately jump to "they're in my house.. they're dead".
unluckyseventeen
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It felt appropriate to show what would actually happen if shot by rubber bullets, since Archie didn't seem to get it and compared a rubber bullet to a BB gun on more than one occasion.
There is some merit to that, but I don't think it is something you can/should take into consideration if someone is breaking into your house in the middle of the night and you have them at point blank range. With that said, I think it is important that anyone that owns a gun knows how to use it and use it effectively. If you have a gun, you should shoot at a range periodically and ensure that you are limiting the chance of missing, etc.
FWIW, most home defense weapons, handguns or shotguns, do have a limited range. Also, most defense rounds are soft or hollow point. If you hit the perp, the chance of having it travel through and then through the side of your neighbor's house and into your neighbor are very minimal.
Archie Moses
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Do you really not understand the difference between a rubber bullet and a real bullet? They are not the same.
unluckyseventeen
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It'd mean a little more if they had any sort of credibility, yes. Otherwise, if one of their firsts posts is "you're a moron", then it's just a dolt going out of their way to insult somebody because it's the internet, and it's a waste of time to debate with them.