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What will you give up for a Jazz win?

If we were tanking so we could draft alex len, victor oladipo, nerlens noel, kyrie irving, enes kanter, jonas, derrick williams, trey burke or something then i think most of us would not be down for the tank

However if we are tanking for lebron james, michael jordan, hakeem olijuwan, karl malone then tanking is fantastic.
I think alot of us believe there are at least 3 of those types of players in this draft.
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You make my point beautifully fisionjazz. Which list is longer by double, also the long list covered just a few years of drafts, while the short list of superstars goes back almost 30 years. EVERY college phenom seems to be the next messiah until the day arrives and he has to prove it in the NBA. Then there is a lot of names that loose all their luster and become the butt of jokes. While this system is extremely unfair to those that fail, it launches the successful into the stratosphere. Problem is you can have a scorecard but you still can't tell who the players are. If ya'll can, then please let the Jazz know that you have this wonderful eye for talent. I am sure they would love to hear from you.
 
fishonjazz said:
This is generally true but you need to get into specifics

If we were tanking so we could draft alex len, victor oladipo, nerlens noel, kyrie irving, enes kanter, jonas, derrick williams, trey burke or something then i think most of us would not be down for the tank

However if we are tanking for lebron james, michael jordan, hakeem olijuwan, karl malone then tanking is fantastic.
I think alot of us believe there are at least 3 of those types of players in this draft.
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Whacchu talkin bout????? I'd tank the **** out of kyrie Irving.

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Do you play the game to go to the playoffs? Or do you play the game to win championships?

I would say that every loss increases our odds significantly at winning a championship in the next decade.
 
infection said:
I'm not particularly worried about it because we'll probably win a lot more games later in the year as we get some more experience (and hopefully a coach) and we will need to rack up as many Ls as possible for some type of cushion.
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This is nice to think about, but usually when a coach is fired mid season, someone already on the staff takes over, probably means Lowe becomes interim coach of our Utah jazz:(
 
For God sakes, what is this "winning" talk? Stay the course, men. Believe in the tank.


But srsly, I'd like to see the boys win one and start playing better basketball. We're going to lose plenty - not worried about that a bit - but I'd like to see Trey come back and the young cornerstones start to really jell.

I knew we'd be bad, but not 0-8, lose-by-a-hundred-every-night bad.
 
Grandpa Jazz said:
I would like to rain on a few parades with this. Not really, but there are some pretty high expectations out there about what a high draft pick can mean to our team. I know you can come up with a few cases of teams improving quite dramatically after a high pick but there remains the reverse side of those picks. To wit!! Check out the draft records ( top 5 ) of two teams over the past 5 years and then track the won/loss records of those teams over the same period Those teams are the Minnesota Timberwolves and the Cleveland Cavaliers who both have had 4 top 5 picks over the last five years. Cleveland was at 19 wins at the beginning and have improved all the way up to 21 wins. The T-Wolves fared slightly better going from 22 wins to 31 wins.
Minny picked 3,5,4,2 between 2008 and 2011. The Cavs 4 and 1 in 2011 4th in 2012 and 1 in 2013. I realize that there is luck involved with the choices and some teams draft smarter than others, but i see no reason why anyone should feel that a high draft choice, even a number 1, will inevitably lead to great success. The Thunder did draft some real difference makers in their formulative years and it still took 3-4 years before any real success started to come.
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Fallacy. By. Analogy.



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The odds are steeply against any single pick being the next LeBron or Kobe or whatever, so no matter what it is a crap shoot in some regard. And we could end the season 0-82 and still get the #4 and #27 picks. Nothing is certain.
 
Y'all keep talkin draft picks, I'm talking about this team. At least a few of them are going to be back, and they aren't learning anything by getting their heads kicked in every game.
 
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