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For all the fire Ty people:

green

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Who do you bring in? And before you answer, remember, that this Jazz team, since Miller died, you could argue this team hasn't been run well. For example:

Sloan was run out of town for Deron
Then Deron was traded
You let Horny go
You let Al and Millsap walk for nothing
You haven't done anything to strengthen the team, just weaken it.
You have no PG
You have no bench
Your best player is a FA next summer.

What coach is going to come in a coach this team? Or better yet, what GOOD coach is going to take that on? You do realize, that there is a good chance that if you take over this team, you won't win any more games than Ty? It might not be as ugly, but a loss is a loss. If you are Karl, or SVG, or Lionel, why do you take on this mess now? No matter what you do, you will probably lose, and when you do, morons on message boards and sitting in the stands will boo you, and there will be a chance that you are fired at the end of the season.

Why not enjoy your time off, and then take over this team in June, when you have the #1 pick, a boatload of cash for FA's and players that you can get to rally around you, because you didn't lose 50 games with them the previous season?

You can't fire Ty for a laundry list of reasons, one of which, is who do you bring in to coach? Your only realistic options are just as bad as Ty (and I DO put Sloan in the bad idea category).
 
Fire Corbin, Lowe and Sanders

Hire Sloan as interim with Jensen as his first AC.

Hire Jamaal Tinsley as an assitant coach.

Hire Phil as a special advisor.

After this season, give the team to Jensen with Phil as his first AC.
 
candrew said:
Fire Corbin, Lowe and Sanders

Hire Sloan as interim with Jensen as his first AC.

Hire Jamaal Tinsley as a coach.

Hire Phil as a special advisor.

After this season, give the team to Jensen with Phil as his first AC.
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I don't think you can hire Sloan for half a season. Second, I love Jensen, but no way I give that young of a team to him. No way. That team, especially with Jabari or Wiggins, is too valuable to give to a coach with so little experience. You need a top coach for that. He could be college, he could be another NBA assistant, but he has to be a winner, that has a plan and a system.

It's too early for Jensen.
 
You hire Jerry as the interim coach, and you let him coach as long as he wants to. It's pretty simple.
 
green said:
I don't think you can hire Sloan for half a season. Second, I love Jensen, but no way I give that young of a team to him. No way. That team, especially with Jabari or Wiggins, is too valuable to give to a coach with so little experience. You need a top coach for that. He could be college, he could be another NBA assistant, but he has to be a winner, that has a plan and a system.

It's too early for Jensen.
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I think half a season is all Sloan can give you - he's not a young man anymore and asking him to travel with the team for 45-55 games in and of itself is asking a lot.

Jensen has already worked with young players (successfully) in the D-League. He's way ahead of where Corbin was when he took over the team 3 years ago.

Besides, Jensen is in Utah to become an HC - everyone knows it. If you clean house and don't bump him up then you run the risk of losing him.
 
I don't think they'd hire Jensen this early, but I like him. Even if they did give him a shot sooner than later, I don't think we could be much worse off coaching wise than we already are.
 
candrew said:
Fire Corbin, Lowe and Sanders

Hire Sloan as interim with Jensen as his first AC.

Hire Jamaal Tinsley as an assitant coach.

Hire Phil as a special advisor.

After this season, give the team to Jensen with Phil as his first AC.
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Yeah then we can win 35 games and get the 10th pick.

Forget the overall plan, let's win those 35 games, that'll show the league we are serious about becoming champions.
 
MoTappin said:
I don't think they'd hire Jensen this early, but I like him. Even if they did give him a shot sooner than later, I don't think we could be much worse off coaching wise than we already are.
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Well, when does he get that shot? Jazz Front Office is not exactly known for having a quick hook.

Like I said, make Sloan the interim. If Jensen isn't ready, it's not the end of the world - ask Sloan to come back for another year.
 
While I am not against keeping Corbin through the rest of this season (to help with the tank) he definitely should not be in the Jazz's future plans beyond this season. I know there are a bunch of Ty-lovers on this board, but let's be honest here, he isn't a championship caliber coach. He's a nice guy, and probably can lead a really talented veteran team to a .500 record but that's not what the Jazz need.

I say we let Corbin coach the team through the rest of the season and find a new coach in the offseason.
 
Lattimer said:
Yeah then we can win 35 games and get the 10th pick.

Forget the overall plan, let's win those 35 games, that'll show the league we are serious about becoming champions.
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The goal isn't to win games, the goal is to develop the young players and have them play as a team. This obviously isn't happening under Corbin.

And at this point The Jazz wouldn't win 35 games if the ghost of John Wooden suddenly appeared holding a clip board on The Utah bench. So don't worry about that.

And if you wanted to wait another 20-25 games or so to make sure the Tank is running on all cylindars before you fire Corbin - I'm OK with that too. But the guy gotta go
 
This tank was by design and now that it's unfolding exactly as planned people are losing their minds.

They let all our FA walk including the decent bench players.

They moved up to get the best ranked pg in the draft. They buy a first rounder to get a good project big.

They hire Jerry and & Karl.

They upgrade the arena.

They take on one year of craptastic players to get yep first rounders in good drafts.

We all cried out for the young players to play and they are.

The main piece to this whole rebuild is that top pick next year and we are in the best position possible to get him so far and people are losing it

Remember it is by design. I can't understand why people are clamoring to get wins this year and are forgetting what the trade off is.
 
IF you really think Jensen is your guy or could be that guy, then you leave Ty in place until you have a GOOD lead in the loss column. Like an 8-10 game worse than the next worse team. That puts you around/after the All-Star break. Then you give Jensen the intern title and see what he can do. I do not bring Sloan back. That is skipping steps. Don't skip steps.

Step #1 - Clear house - Check
Step #2 - Lose more games than anyone else - good start, let's finish this step before we go on to any other steps.
 
I honestly don't think Jerry would be very happy if Ty was fired. And I certainly don't think he's coaching the Jazz again.

IF the Jazz opt for another coach, they wouldn't fire Corbin they would just wait out the season and not renew his contract.
 
candrew said:
The goal isn't to win games, the goal is to develop the young players and have them play as a team. This obviously isn't happening under Corbin.

And at this point The Jazz wouldn't win 35 games if the ghost of John Wooden suddenly appeared holding a clip board on The Utah bench. So don't worry about that.

And if you wanted to wait another 20-25 games or so to make sure the Tank is running on all cylindars before you fire Corbin - I'm OK with that too. But the guy gotta go
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Sort of like the Suns "aren't winning games" right?

I agree Corbs has to go but I don't see the benefit of doing it now
 
green said:
IF you really think Jensen is your guy or could be that guy, then you leave Ty in place until you have a GOOD lead in the loss column. Like an 8-10 game worse than the next worse team. That puts you around/after the All-Star break. Then you give Jensen the intern title and see what he can do. I do not bring Sloan back. That is skipping steps. Don't skip steps.

Step #1 - Clear house - Check
Step #2 - Lose more games than anyone else - good start, let's finish this step before we go on to any other steps.
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That works for me.
 
I don't think you fire Corbin right now. Maybe he has a conscience and steps down (hahaha) but I don't think it makes sense to fire him, for many of the reasons green mentions. Once we find out what pick we get I say it's time to bring in a new coach. If we're getting a top pick we may be able to attract a top coach to go along with it.
 
green said:
IF you really think Jensen is your guy or could be that guy, then you leave Ty in place until you have a GOOD lead in the loss column. Like an 8-10 game worse than the next worse team. That puts you around/after the All-Star break. Then you give Jensen the intern title and see what he can do. I do not bring Sloan back. That is skipping steps. Don't skip steps.

Step #1 - Clear house - Check
Step #2 - Lose more games than anyone else - good start, let's finish this step before we go on to any other steps.
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This.

I've been plenty patience with Ty - a few more months of tanking is just the perfect icing on the cake before we kick out the trash.
 
Lattimer said:
Sort of like the Suns "aren't winning games" right?
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They beat Utah, Portland, Denver and New Orleans twice - All losing teams. I've heard Denver is already looking to join the tank.

They're playing well (if you call 5-4 playing well) because they've had an pretty easy schedule to start the season.
 
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