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Cruelty in factory farming

jazzman12 said:
I must be a grade "A" ******* because I don't care how my future food is treated. I'm trying to care, I just can't.
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I don't think that. I do think everyone should know this, but if you choose to use meat/milk/eggs anyhow, no big deal.
 
jazzman12 said:
I must be a grade "A" ******* because I don't care how my future food is treated. I'm trying to care, I just can't.
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Well the way it is treated before it ends up on your table affects its quality. So if you want good quality of the food you are eating you should at least care about that.
 
jazzman12 said:
I must be a grade "A" ******* because I don't care how my future food is treated. I'm trying to care, I just can't.
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You should care about the quality of BACON. I'm tired of over paying for decent bacon. They can only charge me so much because there are so few farmers producing it. I like bacon fat but cheap bacon is all fat.
 
green said:
This goes back to my Reagon thing. Why are we trying to get so big? What is the motivation? Was it always there, or did deregulation make it possible?
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People respond to incentives and their responses have consequences. I think it comes down to having people in power that cannot think through the ramifications of their policies because they neither understand, nor care to understand, that simple truth.
 
heyhey said:
You should care about the quality of BACON. I'm tired of over paying for decent bacon. They can only charge me so much because there are so few farmers producing it. I like bacon fat but cheap bacon is all fat.
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For what it's worth I make my own bacon.
 
heyhey said:
People respond to incentives and their responses have consequences. I think it comes down to having people in power that cannot think through the ramifications of their policies because they neither understand, nor care to understand, that simple truth.
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I think nails it on the head. We have failed lawyers and academics as politicians, and they don't have any real world experience and they just don't understand what their ideas do in a real world with real, selfish (not necessarily a bad thing), hard working people. Not everyone acts in the country's best interest, and I don't think they should have to either.
 
One Brow said:
I don't think that. I do think everyone should know this, but if you choose to use meat/milk/eggs anyhow, no big deal.
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Interesting response. Do you think eating eggs from one of these places is the same as eating a free range chicken egg?
 
Green...
This history goes back waaaaaaay further than Reagan and his policies. Check out the book Nature's Metropolis for a good history of the beef industry. The whole book is mind-blowing. It's kind of a history of US capitalism. Its focus is on the developmental history of Chicago.
 
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There is simply no going back once you start buying local, free-range meat (which happens to be organic in my case).


Tastes ****ing amazing.
 
heyhey said:
If you send me some I'll send you a thank you letter.
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I'll let you know the next time I make some. Probably in the spring as it is hard to regulate the temp on my weber as cold as it is.
 
green said:
Interesting response. Do you think eating eggs from one of these places is the same as eating a free range chicken egg?
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I have not heard an argument where such a distinction can be made objectively. There are so many factors that weigh in here. For example, most of these factory chickens would not have lived without factory farming. So, it's important to know what goes into making your food, but that doesn't imply any judgment about what you do once you know. I'm not going to stop buying factory-farm eggs, but if there is an agricultural reform bill I can vote for, I will vote for it.
 
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Green...
This history goes back waaaaaaay further than Reagan and his policies. Check out the book Nature's Metropolis for a good history of the beef industry. The whole book is mind-blowing. It's kind of a history of US capitalism. Its focus is on the developmental history of Chicago.
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I will go look this up. This is an area where I am an infant in knowledge. Thanks.
 
One Brow said:
I have not heard an argument where such a distinction can be made objectively. There are so many factors that weigh in here. For example, most of these factory chickens would not have lived without factory farming. So, it's important to know what goes into making your food, but that doesn't imply any judgment about what you do once you know. I'm not going to stop buying factory-farm eggs, but if there is an agricultural reform bill I can vote for, I will vote for it.
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Thanks for the response. I agree.
 
https://www.cbssports.com/nba/writer/ken-berger/24370416

Good NBA related article that touches on this about half way through.

The factory farming thing for me has basically zero to do with me caring about animals well being (sorry animal bros) and everything to do with how horrible factory farmed meat is for human beings to eat.

From teh article...

When the protein and fat come from beef, it can't just be any beef; you'll only find beef from humanely raised, grass-fed cows with no added antibiotics on the Lakers' menu. (Grass-fed cows produce meat with higher levels of healthy omega-3 fatty acids.) The fish is wild, not farm-raised, which limits toxins. All other protein is from humanely raised sources, such as free-range chickens and pigs that have not been fattened on corn or other grains and have not been sickened and mass-engineered with antibiotics or hormones.

"There's a right way to raise a pig and a wrong way," Lakers strength and conditioning coach Tim DiFrancesco said. "Pigs that are raised with hormones and fed corn and grains, yeah, that'll kill you."
 
green said:
I love the ridiculousness of this article. It talks about how they tried to pass a measure in Democrat controlled California, but it was the Republicans who stopped it. It's that type of garbage that makes you lose credibility, undermines your cause and doesn't allow us to actually do anything.

This starts out well, and I think they have good intentions, but then it just turns into another sensationalized article throwing out stereotypes to get people all riled up. Did Thriller write this?

It's too bad, because either we are too dumb as a society to look at a issue and find middle ground, or we just aren't interested in finding a solution. We are just interested in arguing about it.
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The solution is tens of millions of consumer decisions to buy local, support family farming, stop voting for politicians who take cartel campaign contributions, reduce the size and power of government to eliminate the gains to be had by special interests with paid lobbyists. . . . . and stop being deceived by HSUS campaigns for contributions which are largely wasted on high-roller lobbyists and high-paid national "leaders" who live so high on the hog they stink.
 
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