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Out-groups and berhaviors, stemming from joking about rape

One Brow said:
No. I'll try again.

It seems that you feel that if said what you think I'm saying, that would indicate arrogance on your part.

See the difference?




Did I? Even if you take what I said literally, I said you might have a certain level of ego, but that means I'm aware you might not, as well. I also said that if you did have the sort of ego that makes you think you are above the sort of problems pervasive to the human condition, that would be arrogant. Do you disagree with the second sentence? Do you think you've offered any conclusive evidence one way or the other on the first?
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I almost forgot how well you dance.
Of course, that puts aside the context of the my post, where I was responding to your "fixing" a statement I wrote inclusively to say I was better than others. Maybe where you come from, people don't ever offer counterfactuals in advance of a statement as irony, but it's not atypical around here.
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Did I? Even if you take what I said literally, I said you are a d-bag. I also said that you can't help yourself but to point out the flaws of others and berate them for it. Face it, you are arrogant.
 
heyhey said:
I almost forgot how well you dance.
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Why yes, I do choose my words carefully and include qualifiers when discussing other people. Some people like to make bold, unqualified proclamations without evidence.

heyhey said:
Did I? Even if you take what I said literally, I said you are a d-bag. I also said that you can't help yourself but to point out the flaws of others and berate them for it. Face it, you are arrogant.
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Actually, I point out the flaws of humans, a category in which I put myself. I don't know your flaws as an individual, that may or may not be possessed by others, but all us humans share the flaws that come from being human. I don't see how its arrogant to point out those flaws. Please, make that connection.
 
One Brow said:
Why yes, I do choose my words carefully and include qualifiers when discussing other people. Some people like to make bold, unqualified proclamations without evidence.



Actually, I point out the flaws of humans, a category in which I put myself. I don't know your flaws as an individual, that may or may not be possessed by others, but all us humans share the flaws that come from being human. I don't see how its arrogant to point out those flaws. Please, make that connection.
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ummm no

You started this thread because of a specific rape joke. It was not all of humanity that was laughing it was specific individuals. The thing is I don't even believe you care whether it is appropriate or not. I don't think you care what it does or doesn't say about our culture. I think you simply enjoy berating people.
 
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One Brow said:
Why yes, I do choose my words carefully and include qualifiers when discussing other people. Some people like to make bold, unqualified proclamations without evidence.



Actually, I point out the flaws of humans, a category in which I put myself. I don't know your flaws as an individual, that may or may not be possessed by others, but all us humans share the flaws that come from being human. I don't see how its arrogant to point out those flaws. Please, make that connection.
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Not all humans have the same flaws.

Someone queue an exploding head gif.
 
heyhey said:
You started this thread because of a specific rape joke. It was not all of humanity that was laughing it was specific individuals. The thing is I don't even believe you care whether it is appropriate or not. I don't think you care what it does or doesn't say about our culture. I think you simply enjoy berating people.
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I said rape jokes weren't funny. I did not berate the person in question. Feel free to go back and check. Pull out any quotes where I berated anyone.

Frankly, talking about me is getting rather dull. I'm tired of defending myself to you against your perception of my flaws. Why are you so fascinated by me, or if not, why are you so determined to talk about me?
 
Stoked said:
No, I have biases. Arrogance is you claiming to know my biases better than me.
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Because you have biases that are so unlike those of other humans, derived in completely different ways? The only biases I have assumed are the common biases to anyone raised in a racist culture.
 
Stoked said:
No, I have biases. Arrogance is you claiming to know my biases better than me.
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Actually I wonder about this. Are all of our biases readily apparent to us? It is possible that others would see them more readily than we would, as for us they are simply part of who we are. Are you always consciously aware of using, say, your education in your job? I know I reach a point where it just becomes second nature and I don't notice it. I think an argument could be made that we don't always have a total grasp of our biases, whereas others may see them much more clearly than we do by how we act and what we do.
 
LogGrad98 said:
Actually I wonder about this. Are all of our biases readily apparent to us? It is possible that others would see them more readily than we would, as for us they are simply part of who we are. Are you always consciously aware of using, say, your education in your job? I know I reach a point where it just becomes second nature and I don't notice it. I think an argument could be made that we don't always have a total grasp of our biases, whereas others may see them much more clearly than we do by how we act and what we do.
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I think it varies from person to person. Some people are more self aware than others. I like think that I am fairly self aware and know my limitations.

However, I completely deny the notion that someone on some random internet forum that knows nothing about my life, experiences, personality or physical traits beyond little snippets like "white male" can judge me in any true way. They have no insight into me and therefore can no nothing of my faults or strengths.

Now a person who does have that knowledge can have insigths that I myself do not.
 
One Brow said:
I said rape jokes weren't funny. I did not berate the person in question. Feel free to go back and check. Pull out any quotes where I berated anyone.

Frankly, talking about me is getting rather dull. I'm tired of defending myself to you against your perception of my flaws. Why are you so fascinated by me, or if not, why are you so determined to talk about me?
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It is incredibly annoying isn't it.
 
Stoked said:
... beyond little snippets like "white male" can judge me in any true way. They have no insight into me and therefore can no nothing of my faults or strengths.
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Actually, the only snippet I'm using is "human", and I haven't judged you in any way.
 
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