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seattlejazzfan said:
Actually that's not true. He's constantly catching the ball in the post with his back to the basket. Sure he'll take it and face up, he'll spine to the hoop, etc, but much of his offense is initiated with his back to the basket. You want him in the post - that is where he is most effective.
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I've already done an extensive analysis of how his team benefits from him holding the ball top of the key, dribble/drive and score and creating for others, etc.


It's buried in this thread somewhere, but I'm too lazy to look for it.
 
Hotttnickkk said:
I've already done an extensive analysis of how his team benefits from him holding the ball top of the key, dribble/drive and score and creating for others, etc.


It's buried in this thread somewhere, but I'm too lazy to look for it.
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We could argue this point until we turn blue, but it's his play with his back to the basket that makes him special. Yes, he is very effective facing up and putting the ball on the floor, but that's just because he's a great player. It's the back to the basket game that really sets him apart.

This video against Michigan State is a great example of what I'm talking about. Today's game wasn't much different - the Belmont coach simply had no answer to Randle in the post.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SdsY62qaCoA
 
I hate to say it.. but kkk is more right on this.

He scores most of his points in the paint, but a FAR higher % of those shots is taking his man off the dribble from 18'+ out.
 
PKM said:
I hate to say it.. but kkk is more right on this.

He scores most of his points in the paint, but a FAR higher % of those shots is taking his man off the dribble from 18'+ out.
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You don't have to hate to say it, sometimes it isn't a lot of fun being wrong, but hate is a strong word. Watch the Michigan State video. But again, I'll tell you the same thing - since none of us have the stats to back it up, in terms of frequency of his points - I'll just say that it's his low post game that sets him apart. That is what makes him a great and unique talent. There just aren't guys in college and even in the NBA to an extent that really hurt you consistently with their back to the basket. That's the larger point I'm making - you want Randle at the 4 where he can utilize his low post game to hurt teams.
 
PKM said:
The debate is only over definition of back to the basket... which can vary widely.
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I'm talking about catching the ball in the low post with his back to the basket. How he scores after the catch can definitely vary, which makes him so dangerous.
 
seattlejazzfan said:
You don't have to hate to say it, sometimes it isn't a lot of fun being wrong, but hate is a strong word. Watch the Michigan State video. But again, I'll tell you the same thing - since none of us have the stats to back it up, I'll just say that it's his low post game that sets him apart. That is what makes him a great and unique talent. There just aren't guys in college and even in the NBA to an extent that really hurt you consistently with their back to the basket. That's the larger point I'm making - you want Randle at the 4 where he can utilize his low post game to hurt teams.
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WADR, I have watched every minute of every game Randle has played since starting his junior yr in HS. I talk to the UK coaching staff... I'm comfortable in my opinion. I suspect we may actually agree, depending on defining back to the basket.
 
seattlejazzfan said:
I'm talking about catching the ball in the low post with his back to the basket. How he scores after the catch can definitely vary, which makes him so dangerous.
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He's dangerous there, yes... but he is FAR better creating with momentum more so than low post footwork.. though both are good.
 
PKM said:
WADR, I have watched every minute of every game Randle has played since starting his junior yr in HS. I talk to the UK coaching staff... I'm comfortable in my opinion. I suspect we may actually agree, depending on defining back to the basket.
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Yes, we may agree depending on how we define back to the basket. I don't want to get away from the larger point that I made in my initial post in this discussion - there is no question Calipari has him playing a true 4 and that's where you want him in the NBA. You turn him into a three, you take away what makes him a special player - you don't want to turn him into Derrick Williams jacking threes at every opportunity. Whether he has his back to the basket or he's facing up, you want him attacking the rim and getting to the FT line.
 
seattlejazzfan said:
Yes, we may agree depending on how we define back to the basket. I don't want to get away from the larger point that I made in my initial post in this discussion - there is no question Calipari has him playing a true 4 and that's where you want him in the NBA. You turn him into a three, you take away what makes him a special player - you don't want to turn him into Derrick Williams jacking threes at every opportunity. Whether he has his back to the basket or he's facing up, you want him attacking the rim and getting to the FT line.
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I agree with not being a perimeter scorer.. however, he gets most of his foul calls and points when catching the ball on the perimeter and taking his defender off the dribble. Once he gets momentum he scores or gets to the line.. he's a train.
 
PKM said:
I agree with not being a perimeter scorer.. however, he gets most of his foul calls and points when catching the ball on the perimeter and taking his defender off the dribble. Once he gets momentum he scores or gets to the line.. he's a train.
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He's also proven to be a pretty good passer.


Tripple-threat.
 
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