mellow
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Jazz can end the Bulls tank. Kanter and Lucas for the bulls or charlottes pick.
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Jazz can end the Bulls tank. Kanter and Lucas for the bulls or charlottes pick.
a) Bulls have no playing time until 1 big goes down
b) Kanter isn't helping the Jazz play better. How the heck is he going to help the Bulls? If anything they'll come closer to drop below the Jazz because Corbin has 1 less young inexperienced bad big to send on the court.
The Thriller
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With an aging boozer, Deng as a FA this summer, and a former super star who can't get healthy, I think the Bulls realize that it's time to rebuild.
There will be a big difference between 14 and 21 this year. There will be some very good players in the 13-17 range this year. Even if you are right, I'd rather the Jazz be in position to take their player rather than hope he drops to them. Also, the 14 pick might help the Jazz to move up to get their guy with their pick.
Stifle Tower
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Call me a pessimist, but I'm assuming the worst at this point:
1. Utah's pick will be in the 5-8 range as they're playing better and a lot of EC teams that got off to decent starts are now playing poorly (Philadelphia, Orlando, Chicago, etc.).
2. GS pick will be around 23. Igoudala is back. They survived a road-heavy schedule and are only 2 games back of the 5th seed in the WC.
3. Kanter is a bust for where he was picked. He has no heart, no fight. He'd rather take bad mid-range shots than fight for position inside. Career back-up.
4. Favors? Meh. He'll be a quality starter, but never an all-star.
5. Hayward? See above. Maybe a fringe all-star at some point just based on volume of numbers. A third-option.
6. Burke. Decent PG. Not a great shooter. Appears to be looking to score more than pass right now. Let's hope that's due to personnel. Decent starter, but never a top-10 player at his position.
Outlook: Despite the "rebuiild," Jazz were victims of poor drafts and taking chances on players who didn't develop as they had hoped. I don't blame KOC. When you're a small-market team, you rely on getting lucky. Yes, we can kick KOC for taking Hayward over George. But Hayward was every bit the player George was at that point in their careers. And Kanter at #3? Well, there weren't many other decent players available. Most talk was either Knight or Enes. Burks at 12 looks like a poor choice.
Lindsey is going to have to get creative. Utah is not going to become a contender via the draft. It's time to package some players like Burks, Kanter, etc. along with the expirings to get veteran starters from other teams that are looking to rebuild and shed salaries. It was nice to dream about having a great core in Favors, Hayward, Kanter, Burke and Burks and adding an all-star stud and a solid player this year in the draft. In reality, the Jazz are NOT like Portland, who just needed to add a solid bench. They had all-stars amongst their starters. Jazz don't. Jazz have three decent, but not great players in their starting 5. But no franchise players and no one is untouchable. Our savior is not going to arrive via the draft.
1. Utah's pick will be in the 5-8 range as they're playing better and a lot of EC teams that got off to decent starts are now playing poorly (Philadelphia, Orlando, Chicago, etc.).
2. GS pick will be around 23. Igoudala is back. They survived a road-heavy schedule and are only 2 games back of the 5th seed in the WC.
3. Kanter is a bust for where he was picked. He has no heart, no fight. He'd rather take bad mid-range shots than fight for position inside. Career back-up.
4. Favors? Meh. He'll be a quality starter, but never an all-star.
5. Hayward? See above. Maybe a fringe all-star at some point just based on volume of numbers. A third-option.
6. Burke. Decent PG. Not a great shooter. Appears to be looking to score more than pass right now. Let's hope that's due to personnel. Decent starter, but never a top-10 player at his position.
Outlook: Despite the "rebuiild," Jazz were victims of poor drafts and taking chances on players who didn't develop as they had hoped. I don't blame KOC. When you're a small-market team, you rely on getting lucky. Yes, we can kick KOC for taking Hayward over George. But Hayward was every bit the player George was at that point in their careers. And Kanter at #3? Well, there weren't many other decent players available. Most talk was either Knight or Enes. Burks at 12 looks like a poor choice.
Lindsey is going to have to get creative. Utah is not going to become a contender via the draft. It's time to package some players like Burks, Kanter, etc. along with the expirings to get veteran starters from other teams that are looking to rebuild and shed salaries. It was nice to dream about having a great core in Favors, Hayward, Kanter, Burke and Burks and adding an all-star stud and a solid player this year in the draft. In reality, the Jazz are NOT like Portland, who just needed to add a solid bench. They had all-stars amongst their starters. Jazz don't. Jazz have three decent, but not great players in their starting 5. But no franchise players and no one is untouchable. Our savior is not going to arrive via the draft.
Overdramatic.
I think I agree with all but number six. You be sleepin on Burke
A-Train (old)
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I haven't been this excited about a player on the Jazz (Burke) since D-Will was here.
The Thriller
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If the jazz truly tanked you don't think they could get a franchise player by drafting in the top 3 this year?
HeavenHarris
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bro shouldnt u put the parenthesis after 'player,' not after 'jazz'? just sayin. bad grammar is expected from the likes of me but a train? this was more like a C train post. B+ at best. cmon bro.
You missed the point of his post. He doesn't think the Jazz will be bad enough to out tank the other teams.
The Thriller
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No I got it. The jazz aren't tanking right now, that's the thing.
Why not trade away some key pieces for nothing? We could easily trade Marvin away for nothing (a future 2nd rounder or something). Why not trade away Hayward or Burks? If Hayward's chances of resigning are slim, why not unload him right now? If burks doesn't figure into the future, get something out of while you still can!
Trade away a good piece or two for assets or a player who will probably never play.
The goal is to suck so bad you can grab a star or two in the draft. The goal isn't to suck but not suck enough to bring you out of suckville. Do we really need another role player like Hayward or Burks on this team?
You don't think that if we traded burks/Hayward and Marvin for basically nothing right now and upped Kanter's mins to 30+ that we wouldn't fall to the bottom 2-3 in the league by the end of the season?
We are essentially trading Hayward/Burks and Marvin for Jabari Parker. That's a steal my friend, a steal. 1 role player and 1 vet for a franchise player.
Not only that but that we don't have a strong enough "core" for a franchise player to be all that we need to contend. In other words, we're ****ed either way.
The Thriller
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Which is more difficult? Obtaining the franchise player or finding role players to go alongside him?
Get the franchise first... Then worry about the role players
And then 3-4 years down the line we'll be 3-4 years away from being 3-4 years away from being 3-4 years away.
The Thriller
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As opposed to???......
My power Tankings
1. Magic
2. Bucks
3. 76ers
4. kings
5. Nets
New players in town. Nets will tank and russian boss will allow it. kings are tankers nobody talks about.
if trey didn't miss any games, we would be lucky to be in tank top 10. that's a scary thought.
I thought the Nets don't own their pick? Why would they tank?
The Thriller
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I'm pretty sure the Knicks have a better record when Melo doesn't play.
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