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Following potential 2014 draftees

spycam1 said:
Updated Big Board

1. Andrew Wiggins
2. Jabari Parker
3. Joel Embiid
4. Julius Randle
5. Dante Exum
6. Marcus Smart
7. Aaron Gordon
8. Noah Vonleh
9. Chris Walker
10. Zach Lavine
11. James Young
12. Dario Saric
13. WCS
14. Glenn Robinson Jr.
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lil pup is no alpha dog, but he is still very talented and showed wide range of skill sets. he just can't seem to put it all together, but he can grow with Trey.

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and reports said he improved his vertical up to 42 inches and couldn't measure his hops with 12 ft 3 inch stick.
 
PKM said:
Young has not been outstanding but your post was simply dickish.

Against Louisville, Young had 18pts, 10rbs, 4asts, 1 stl, 1blk.. while drawing tough defensive assignments (2PF's and 2TO's).

Not the chucking one-dimensional player you just pigeon-holed.

In his very short career, he is shooting 34% from 3. Not good, but it's not alarming enough to ignore his career 45%+ shooting in HS.

To summarize, I'm not sure what to make of Young yet... but I couldn't let you call him CJ Miles.

And yes.. he's 6'7
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I loved the way he hit the glass in the absence of Randle when they needed rebounding in that Louisville game, but he was also 5-17 FGs. On the season he's at 38% FGs and 34% 3pt - both are CJ Miles type numbers. 34% from the college three is not good. On the season he's also getting just 4 rebs - not terrible, but not good either for a guy playing 31 mpg and most of his minutes at SF. I'm not sure what to make of Young yet either - these guys are all so young - but I would like to see him be a lot less selfish being surrounded by talented teammates like he has.
 
IMHO I think the Jazz are at league average or above league average at every position with the young guys but one, and that is the small forward position which I think should be our main focus in this draft and if we are drafting top 3 the two small forwards we obviously look at there are Parker or Wiggins. If we land in the 7-10 range then I like the small forwards in this order from that position Young because of his scoring potential and his athleticism to stay in front of his man on the defensive side, Gordon and Hood are a toss up for me, Gordon reminds me of a power forward trying to play the small forward position kind of like another lottery pick that came out of the same school in Derrick Williams, Gordon is a mix of Derrick Williams and Blake Griffin because of his athleticism and dunking ability but can't shoot a lick from the free throw line. This is why I would lean more towards Hood.
 
d@!!0n0rcutt said:
IMHO I think the Jazz are at league average or above league average at every position with the young guys but one, and that is the small forward position which I think should be our main focus in this draft and if we are drafting top 3 the two small forwards we obviously look at there are Parker or Wiggins. If we land in the 7-10 range then I like the small forwards in this order from that position Young because of his scoring potential and his athleticism to stay in front of his man on the defensive side, Gordon and Hood are a toss up for me, Gordon reminds me of a power forward trying to play the small forward position kind of like another lottery pick that came out of the same school in Derrick Williams, Gordon is a mix of Derrick Williams and Blake Griffin because of his athleticism and dunking ability but can't shoot a lick from the free throw line. This is why I would lean more towards Hood.
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Hood over Gordon? The hell? Not even OG hates Gordon that much.
 
spycam1 said:
Hood over Gordon? The hell? Not even OG hates Gordon that much.
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45% from the free throw line, that scares me and especially if he thinks he is a small forward in a power forward body, puts up nice numbers, can jump out of the gym, and highlight reel dunks. What this team needs is a deadly shooter and a man that can play decent defense, Aaron Gordon's offensive game specifically his outside shooting is borderline pathetic. I don't know how he shoots 38.9% from three maybe because he barely shoots one per game. What this team needs is someone who can hit multiple threes and jump shots and hit his free throws when called upon.
 
d@!!0n0rcutt said:
45% from the free throw line, that scares me and especially if he thinks he is a small forward in a power forward body, puts up nice numbers, can jump out of the gym, and highlight reel dunks. What this team needs is a deadly shooter and a man that can play decent defense, Aaron Gordon's offensive game specifically his outside shooting is borderline pathetic. I don't know how he shoots 38.9% from three maybe because he barely shoots one per game. What this team needs is someone who can hit multiple threes and jump shots and hit his free throws when called upon.
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I'd say he's a PF stuck in a SF's body.

I don't love the guy, and I agree he isn't a great fit with our current group, but he IS very talented and athletic. If he's BPA, you take him.
 
spycam1 said:
I'd say he's a PF stuck in a SF's body.

I don't love the guy, and I agree he isn't a great fit with our current group, but he IS very talented and athletic. If he's BPA, you take him.
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I guess you have to take him at a certain point, but derrick williams has soured me on gordon and I have not even seen gordon play yet.

Is the derrick williams comp something to really worry about or is that a bad comp
 
spycam1 said:
I'd say he's a PF stuck in a SF's body.

I don't love the guy, and I agree he isn't a great fit with our current group, but he IS very talented and athletic. If he's BPA, you take him.
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Draft another player who can't accept his true position? Does this team need another power forward? Listen I get the BPA talk but doesn't that only apply when you know you are getting a franchise changing type player? My question is to you if we are draft Aaron Gordon is he better than Derrick Favors or Enes Kanter?
 
Jako said:
the thing with Gordon is if you draft him then you look trade trade okur for either a stretch 4 or 5. then Gordon posts up 3s where he would dominate.
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Ya but who wants okur
 
fishonjazz said:
I guess you have to take him at a certain point, but derrick williams has soured me on gordon and I have not even seen gordon play yet.

Is the derrick williams comp something to really worry about or is that a bad comp
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I would take all comps with a grain of salt, obvi. You could compare him to Griffin just as easily as you could Derrick Williams.

He's a guy I don't think anyone has totally figured out (more so than with your average prospect).
 
It was hard for me to evaluate Vonleh today cuz Inidana refused to give him the ball. ****ing ridiculous mayne
 
spycam1 said:
I would take all comps with a grain of salt, obvi. You could compare him to Griffin just as easily as you could Derrick Williams.

He's a guy I don't think anyone has totally figured out (more so than with your average prospect).
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derrick williams was a classic tweener - 6ft 7 1/4 barefoot. 34.5 vertical was ok. blake was measured at 6ft 8 1/2 barefoot. his combine hops were low, but based on his dunks, he probably has 38 inch vert.

aaron gordon may just be a decent 3rd option in the future, but i think he got the size down for sure. he can easily gain 25lb within first 2 years in nba and will actually improve his overall athleticism. i would be highly surprised if he gets measured 6ft 7 1/4 like williams. that would be disappointing and i wouldn't want him if he is not even full 6ft 8.
 
Any y'all watch dat Vonleh today? He's an interesting player. If he puts in the work and continues to improve he's got a very high ceiling
 
anyway anthony bennett is 6ft 7 with his shoe on. lol yes, larry johnson was tad under 6ft 5, but at least grand mama could jump out of the roof.
 
Vonleh is a bit of a tweener height-wise, but I think he's athletic enough to play either the three or four depending on how his skills develop
 
with 6ft 7 1/2 tristian thompson
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so basically anthony bennett is 6ft 5 1/2-6ft 5 3/4 at best, yet he is listed at 6ft8. only in NBA. lol

i'm just weary of tweeners. beasley was measured at 6ft 7.
 
LazyD said:
Vonleh is a bit of a tweener height-wise, but I think he's athletic enough to play either the three or four depending on how his skills develop
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i've seen a little, couldn't really tell his game yet. i'll be watching him a lot down the road
 
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