Agreed.
Can the C.J. Miles experiment please end?
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Agreed.
gregbroncs
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Hayward played pretty well. But the team still barely pulled off a win at home against a terrible team. They had virtually no contribution from the bench period.
Hayward played 7:29 seconds and had 1 assist, 2 points and 3 fouls. That's what you call good playing?
Miles in 8:19 had 2 Blocks, 2 Steals, 3 rebounds, 2 points without a single foul.
The team also did not have a negative +/- when CJ was in unlike Hayward.
The team missed Cj off of the bench. They had nobody to drive or create shots while Deron sat. NJ made a run and got back into the game during the stretch where Cj would normally have been playing.
Your only argument is his shooting. It's off. But your 6 year slump argument is a moronic statement. CJ shoots a career 33.6% from three. That's not bad at all. He also shoots 43.3% from the field. Considering that he has been mostly used as a 3 point shooter that's not too bad though not great. Simple fact is this year Cj is being asked to carry a 2nd unit that stinks and needs him to score. He is shooting poorly so far but his career #'s say it should get better. It's especially not bad when you consider that his 1st 2 years were really bad and that he has been over 34% for 3 straight years from 3.
Again Brainslut your a hater. Your delusional and you know nothing about anything Jazz except for CJ and your hate.
gregbroncs
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What's really sad is that I'm not all that big of a CJ fan. I like him and think he's a good player. But i like most of the other player's more. AK, Deron, Millsap and Memo I'm am a far bigger fan of these players. CJ just seems to have a whole set of delusional haters stuck 5 years ago before he turned into a pretty good player. He's not perfect and really needs to learn shot selection but a lot of those shots come at or near the end of a shot clock, especially this year. His defense is improved drastically from 2 years ago and the rest of his game has all improved dramatically over the last few years.
I just don't get the hate for CJ, Memo and AK that some on here have. I get that AK is overpaid. I get that Memo was part of that bigs duo that played virtually no defense (I blame the other part for most of this). But I don't see where it comes from for CJ. I have defended all of these players on here at one time or another. I have also criticized all of these players on here at one time or another.
Ohh well
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I just don't get the hate for CJ, Memo and AK that some on here have. I get that AK is overpaid. I get that Memo was part of that bigs duo that played virtually no defense (I blame the other part for most of this). But I don't see where it comes from for CJ. I have defended all of these players on here at one time or another. I have also criticized all of these players on here at one time or another.
Ohh well
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Marty McFly
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Lolwhat? CJ was Miles better than Bell tonight and should have played more.
gregbroncs
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Are you an idiot. Miles was one of the few player who played well. Bell was trash and has been most of the season. Howard should be playing instead of him.
Hitman
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I disagree, Miles played well tonight, actually attacked the rim and took (mostly) good shots. And his D was okay, as it is most nights.
gregbroncs
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CJ should have been in to close out this game. Bell did nothing all night except get torched repeatedly on the defensive end.
Bell had a better shooting percentage than Miles, that's a fact. The Clanks did shoot 1 for 3 three pointers, which was better than normal since he usually misses 4 threes or more. But anyone that thinks Miles D is OK needs to watch his feet. He has no lateral speed and no anticipation. Miles leaves Miles of Space on defense.
gregbroncs
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Yet he outplayed Bell on defense in this game. Bell routinely got taken to the whole by both Ginobili and Parker when he was on them. Bell was 100% worthless in this game. Again the only thing you look at is shooting. What are you 5?
Miles defense this year is better than Bell. Bell deserves to sit the bench. All of Price, Miles, Watson and Howard should play instead of him right now. He is famous for his toughness that he seems to not have any more.
Complaining about Miles after this game just shows that your an idiot and a hater. Miles was in for both runs (again) and was a key in the 2nd quarter run to make up the lead the starters gave to the Spurs. Bell was in during both stretches where the offense did nothing and the defense gave the Spurs as many shots as they wanted. His defense allowing penetration By Ginobili was a major reason the team could not get stops in the 1st and late 4th quarters. All while adding almost nothing on offense except a few shots.
InGameStrategy
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As of 11/18:
-16 Williams-Bell-Kirilenko-Millsap-Jefferson in 205 minutes of play this season
+46 Williams-Miles-Kirilenko-Millsap-Jefferson in 61 minutes of play this season
Enough said. Coaching 101.
-16 Williams-Bell-Kirilenko-Millsap-Jefferson in 205 minutes of play this season
+46 Williams-Miles-Kirilenko-Millsap-Jefferson in 61 minutes of play this season
Enough said. Coaching 101.
Yet when CJ doesn't play, the Jazz do better. It's simple. If the Jazz as a team shot the same percentage and defended the same as Miles they would have no wins at all. No amount of illogical arguments and name calling from Bonkers will change that. He is a liability. He must have it somewhere in his contract that he gets to play. It has to be about money, because the decision to play him has nothing to do with basketball.
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That's funny because I think your reasoning has nothing to little to do with basketball.
Marty McFly
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The Utah Jazz have outscored their opponents with CJ Miles on the floor in 11 of last 12 games and by a total of 95 pts. As per David Locke.
Gyp Rosetti
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Stop using facts. The Rainking is right and you know it.
So your illogical argument is that because CJ shoots the lowest percentage of any other player on the team (https://www.nba.com/jazz/stats/) it makes the rest of the team shoot better? Or are you claiming that he leads the team in assists (1 per game)? Or is it his great defense based on grabbing and chasing?
Here's a great experiment for Sloan. Just play 3 games in a row without the clank. But I'm guessing that choice is out of Sloan's hands. This is not about basketball or giving the fans their money's worth.
Marty McFly
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My illogical argument? Wut? That was a statement of fact posted by the closest thing to a statistician we have access to.
CJ Miles just happens to come in when Bell and Jefferson come out. Bell and Jefferson are playing terrible, so it makes Miles looks good.
That said, Miles hasn't been horrible, and he's basically doing what he's been asked to. Have you seen the lineups the Jazz go with when he's on the floor? He's literally the only scoring option. If he doesn't chuck, we'll have to watch Ronnie Price and Earl Watson try to create shots. That would be much worse than CJ.
That said, Miles hasn't been horrible, and he's basically doing what he's been asked to. Have you seen the lineups the Jazz go with when he's on the floor? He's literally the only scoring option. If he doesn't chuck, we'll have to watch Ronnie Price and Earl Watson try to create shots. That would be much worse than CJ.
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