Beantown
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So gay people can speak?! Amazing!
No matter how you try slice it buddy it will always be a heterosexual process to create life. It will always involve one man (sperm) and one woman (egg).
Gay marriage in Utah put on hold
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So gay people can speak?! Amazing!
No matter how you try slice it buddy it will always be a heterosexual process to create life. It will always involve one man (sperm) and one woman (egg).
Even then I still see no explanation in Beans argument on how this affects him personally and why it matters to him. his relation ship with his wife is not affected, same with his kids and Heavenly Father.
I agree it's unusual. Why does that make it "abnormal"? Who are you to say what normal is?
Beantown
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The medical community said its an abnormality.
Sneakers
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You mean in humans right?
And who cares? In your view evolution is about adapting to get your genetic material passed on, right? Well luckily we live in a more sophisticated world than the dolphins and anteaters of the world where different traits can be used to accomplish this goal, besides the ones that make you the biggest and most sexually affluent. Counterfactuals about an entirely homosexual population don't matter because that's not the world we live in.
Yes. The homosexual men would impregnate the homosexual women, without needing to have sex.
An exclusively male homosexual population would fare no worse than an exclusively male heterosexual population.
However, because such populations do not exist, when we discuss the evolutionary fitness of a trait, we can only discuss it in the environment where we see the trait. Via mechanisms like kin selection in a social species, homosexuality would allow individuals to devote resources to close kin, increasing the chance of survival for those who are closely genetically related. So, by your definition, it is evolutionarily strong.
Beantown
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It does not affect me in any way. I support gay marriage and gay adoption. I'm just simply saying that homosexual and heterosexual relations are not equal or the same in a biological sense.
I just had a discussion with a co-worker on the contents of a report on a doctor's patients. Was that a "heterosexual process"? If not, neither is the process described by Sneakers.
There are some people in the medical community who call it that, but if you press them on what it means to be normal, they tend to deflect a lot, just like you.
"not the same" -- everyone agrees
"not equal" -- value judgement, and one people are asking you to defend
Beantown
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Not equal meaning homosexual relations cannot produce life. Therefore a homosexual population could never survive.
Bigby Wolf
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As Jazzfanz first official gay man I will say you are all welcome to your opinions but it won't matter. It's going to happen eventually either way.
This has been rebutted more times than I can count, and the discussion is getting repetitive. Unless you can summon a direct response to a point, I'm flouncing on this conversation with you.
Beantown
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Lol how has this been rebutted? There is nothing to rebutt? A homosexual relationship cannot produce life and a homosexual population cannot survive without heterosexual relations.
There is nothing you can say or do to change that fact.
Honestly, probably not. I'd refer him to someone else in my office. I don't dig child rapists, yo. Yes, I should be able to. I'm not sure I agree with that, but for now, yes I should.
As for your second point, I probably can't, to be honest. Unless it's a knee-jerk reaction. EG: A bunch of kids on skateboards outside of my shop have been asked to please not do it by an elderly person trying to walk around the shops. They are disrespectful and rude and point out that it's not illegal. If those little pukes came into my store I'd tell them to GTFO.
Newsflash, you aren't the first official gay man. There are plenty here. Not to mention the unofficial gay men, which number in the hundreds and pretty much frequent the UGLI forum.
At least part of your post was true. It wouldn't matter if Truth and Fact were standing on your face, dumping into your mouth, you'd still dismiss them and pretend they weren't there.
To summarize:
Gay marriage foes: homosexual and heterosexual relationships/marriages are fundamentally different, and so should be called different things. They should not be legally equivalent, which is why civil unions have been/should be developed for homosexual unions.
Gay marriage advocates: homosexual and heterosexual relationships/marriages are fundamentally the same, and so should be called the same thing. They should be legally equivalent, and homosexuals have a right to the same marital unions/laws that heterosexual couples have.
Both sides to the opposing side: Your view doesn't make any sense. It is incompatible with both science and religion/ethics. You are therefore both stupid and evil, and just a notch above Hitler. Maybe.
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Gay marriage foes: homosexual and heterosexual relationships/marriages are fundamentally different, and so should be called different things. They should not be legally equivalent, which is why civil unions have been/should be developed for homosexual unions.
Gay marriage advocates: homosexual and heterosexual relationships/marriages are fundamentally the same, and so should be called the same thing. They should be legally equivalent, and homosexuals have a right to the same marital unions/laws that heterosexual couples have.
Both sides to the opposing side: Your view doesn't make any sense. It is incompatible with both science and religion/ethics. You are therefore both stupid and evil, and just a notch above Hitler. Maybe.
/thread
Biologically they are not. But not calling them a family simply because they are not hetero is ignorant. Also not all hetero and not all homo families are created equal.
Colton and his damn minions imo.
Bigby Wolf
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I want names and pictures of these gay men.