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Gay marriage in Utah put on hold

I assume you are only counting studios that are free/non-cable like ABC, NBC, FOX and CBS shows?

Also current. Some of your shows were not.


Nashville ABC
Scandal ABC
Once Upon a Time ABC
Revenge ABC
Grey's Anatomy ABC
Under the Dome CBS
The Good Wife CBS
The Carrie Diaries The CW
The Vampire Diaries The CW
The Following Fox
Bones Fox
Dracula NBC
Saving Hope NBC
Chicago Fire NBC
Law & Order: Special Victims Unit NBC

If you go to the link and look at the entire list it is quite extensive.

15 shows is more than I thought. Not really pervasive, though.
 
You've never seen Modern Family, have you?

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So, four shows with two gay regulars, total? 5?
 
So, along the lines of this topic, but on a tangent. Has anyone noticed how strongly "gay is ok" is being pushed in media right now? My wife and kids watch several shows, including Glee and The Fosters, in which gay lifestyle is not just celebrated, but almost posed as the norm, with straights rapidly being in the minority. In Glee, which has to be the singularly stupidest show ever produced, they now have somewhere around 8 fully out and committed gay couples in a small high school in Ohio, and much of the show centers around their relationships. In The Fosters it is a story about a lesbian couple raising a family.

When you think of it like a straight person, yeah. There's a huge gay take over that almost makes it the norm.

But when you think of it as a gay person, it's like the world is beginning to accept you for who you are.

And if you look at it like someone that isn't playing sides, you could care less.
 
My sister in-law is engaged to be married. She is a doctor and her soon to be husband is a firefighter. They are madly in love and have no plans of EVER having a child. Beanclown's assertion that they will never be a family is not only short sighted and dumb, it's downright mean. Not only are they going to be a family to each other, they're family to me and countless others. **** off Bean. And **** off to anybody else who thinks their marriage will be anything less than yours because you have children.

As for the rest of the argument, let's cut through the ********: 99.999% of the time, those who stand against gay marriage do so on a religious platform. Most will dance around that (as has been done constantly through the first 14 pages of this thread), but that is what it comes down to.

Problem is, one of the biggest principals this country was founded on was religious freedom. One religion or group of religions are not here to dictate to the entire country what is right and what is wrong. To try and say religion isn't the overwhelming factor in the fight against gay marriage might just be the most disengenious argument in the history of civil rights.

The religions and morals people practice in their homes and around like minded individuals is their right. To try and gays from having the exact same rights as as those people is so utterly wrong and disgusting it's not even comprehensible. We had those who raged against women's right to vote, we had those who raged against the right for blacks to be seen as equals, and now we have the same group of small minded individuals raging against the rights for homosexuals. Just like the others, when all is said and done, they will be the ones on the wrong side of history. It's a shame it has to take this long, but the outcome is inevitable.

I've also got to give props to Trout and those who share is stance. Major props to the religious people out there who are able to reconcile their faith alongside the belief that we don't have the right to stop others from being equal. It's those type of religious progressives that will eventually help us find our way.

Edit- And please keep in mind, I still hate Trout.

this is not about equality
 
So, along the lines of this topic, but on a tangent. Has anyone noticed how strongly "gay is ok" is being pushed in media right now? My wife and kids watch several shows, including Glee and The Fosters, in which gay lifestyle is not just celebrated, but almost posed as the norm, with straights rapidly being in the minority. In Glee, which has to be the singularly stupidest show ever produced, they now have somewhere around 8 fully out and committed gay couples in a small high school in Ohio, and much of the show centers around their relationships. In The Fosters it is a story about a lesbian couple raising a family.

My wife, who has far more conservative views than I do regarding homosexuals (I believe live and let live, she finds this whole thing somewhat disturbing), feels that this is beginning to "take over", and has some very heavy concerns about my 12 year old daughter watching these shows. I told her that in the end biology trumps hype, but there will always be that very small percentage of the population that is looking to get a rise out of people, or trying so hard to be "different" that is might have some influence on some people. I had a bigger problem with the portrayal of sex in general to be as normal as a handshake with absolutely zero consequences, but that is pervasive on its own.

But it is interesting how this seems to be a thing now. For any TV show or movie to make it there must be a gay presence, even though for the vast majority of people there isn't necesssarily anything like that in their daily lives. I have more than a few gay friends, but none in this area that we see even monthly, mostly acquaintances. I have informally conducted this kind of poll among people I know and other than many of them knowing about someone at work who is gay, most people don't directly know anyone who is gay, or at least who is out and living it openly.

Another thing that I read today that got me thinking about this was an article on gizmodo about CES. They had a section on new hi-tech adult toys. With one of them they mentioned it was designed to be used during man/woman sex, and then added "if you're into that". I am sure it was meant tongue in cheek, but it sure seemed fitting after the discussions I have had with my family about this over the last week. Of course, no one is into THAT any more. That is so first 10k years of human history, it's not "today" man. Today everyone is into anything BUT man/woman sex. What do you think I am, a square?

So what do you think about this trend to gay-ify our lives until it appears that everyone is gay and only the weirdos have heterosexual thoughts at all?

do tell more?
LINK???????
 
When you think of it like a straight person, yeah. There's a huge gay take over that almost makes it the norm.

But when you think of it as a gay person, it's like the world is beginning to accept you for who you are.

And if you look at it like someone that isn't playing sides, you could care less.

*could not

Was very interested in this international perspective on the church being overly concerned with Utah politics. https://www.patheos.com/blogs/kiwim...ge-or-did-it-just-make-a-bad-situation-worse/

I love me some President Monson, I do, but man I wish I could email him that link. It was a bit over the top, but the overall message was terrific and one that I had never even given a second thought (or first, for that matter) to. What we do in Utah has global consequences. Interesting, to say the least. Thanks for the link.
 
Was very interested in this international perspective on the church being overly concerned with Utah politics. https://www.patheos.com/blogs/kiwim...ge-or-did-it-just-make-a-bad-situation-worse/

Seems like a massive overreaction to me.

For what it's worth, here's the link to the church statement that she calls "bigoted intolerance and prejudice":
https://www.mormonnewsroom.org/article/church-instructs-leaders-on-same-sex-marriage

I don't see anything in there to complain about, but then again that lady would probably consider me a bigot as well, by definition, for opposing gay marriage.
 
*could not



I love me some President Monson, I do, but man I wish I could email him that link. It was a bit over the top, but the overall message was terrific and one that I had never even given a second thought (or first, for that matter) to. What we do in Utah has global consequences. Interesting, to say the least. Thanks for the link.

Maybe he could care less.


The second point raises another interesting side-topic. Would you want a church that changes with the ebbs and flows of societal meanderings, or do you want one that preaches an unchanging gospel and holds to those principles no matter what?
 
Seems like a massive overreaction to me.

For what it's worth, here's the link to the church statement that she calls "bigoted intolerance and prejudice":
https://www.mormonnewsroom.org/article/church-instructs-leaders-on-same-sex-marriage

I don't see anything in there to complain about, but then again that lady would probably consider me a bigot as well, by definition, for opposing gay marriage.

Well, you're kind of a company man. I'm waiting for the day you disagree with church leadership on anything. ;)
 
Was very interested in this international perspective on the church being overly concerned with Utah politics. https://www.patheos.com/blogs/kiwim...ge-or-did-it-just-make-a-bad-situation-worse/

I am a Utah Mormon. Born and raised in the heart of Utah county. And I know of many young, active, college educated (from UVU) Mormons who feel the same way as this New Zealand woman:

But of all of the political issues that the Brethren could have gotten their knickers in a twist over, why same-sex marriage? Why not condemn the unholy alliance between public and private interests? Why not address the problems with skyrocketing poverty and inequality? Why not be in indignation over human rights abuses? Or here’s a good one, why not issue a statement on the abuse and exploitations of girls and women? I just don’t think same-sex marriage is worthy of moral outrage. Its not exploitative, its not cruel, it doesn’t create poverty, its not a precursor for war, excessive corporatism, or exploitative economics, its not mean, its not intolerant, its not sexist, its not abusive, its not a social disease and it won’t steal your car or hold you at knife point. Heck, it doesn’t even deny the existence of God. Its simply the legal formalization of a monogamous relationship of choice. And lets face it, its going to happen anyway because its a nonsense to assume that we can completely turn off our sexual orientation, and thus who we end up loving

If our church is going to involve itself on politics, then darn it focus on something that matters.

Locally, why the hell is the church silent on the gross air pollution, dead last in per-pupil education funding, or nasty Swallow/Shurtleff political corruption? It's bad here. The lack of transparency and one party rule is hitting a breaking point. Even fellow GOP candidates (like Rep Daw) are being attacked by corrupt politics.

At one point last year, we had worse air quality than Shanghai. How can anyone enjoy the beauty of temple square when people are wearing masks to breathe? Certainly air pollution does worse to the masses than the few people who choose to get a gay marriage, right?

And if we truly are concerned over children, then why do we accept the terrible education funding? 20 year old textbooks and 40+ in a classroom meant to hold only 25 certainly will do more damage to the masses than 1 child in 2,000 that will be raised by a gay couple, right?

In just the past year hundreds of Deseret Industries employees were cut to part time status so they wouldn't have to give their employees health benefits. However, because Utah rejected the Medicaid Expansion, those employees are left high and dry. Are the thousands left without health care in Utah just something to ignore?

These state issues would be resolved overnight if the church would just send out an official announcement on them as they have done countless times about gay marriage.

Nationally... What about trickle down garbage? Lack of banking regulation? Worker protections? Rises in inequality? Senseless wars? Out of control defense spending? Certainly this is more detrimental to the future of our country than gay marriage, right? Or does god look the other way when heterosexual bankers lie and steal from their customers?

I just look back at the time, energy, and money wasted on DOMA and now Amend 3 and just wonder how much more good could have been accomplished had those resources been used more wisely?

Let god sort out the sinners. Those engaged in sinful marriages or sexual relations will be dealt with in their own good time.

Let's focus on actually improving our world. Let's focus on stuff that actually matters.
 
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Maybe, if you truly believe in your church, and believe it is led by a prophet, then maybe you (meaning you in general, not aimed at anyone) should take what the prophet thinks is important and just consider that in God's eyes maybe that IS the most important issue(s) of the day. Maybe we are being tricked by the adversary to think these things are not important while the prophet is trying again and again to bring us back to what truly matters.

Just playing devi...uh, God's advocate?
 
I ain't reading all 20 pages, but I'm against gay marriage.

That is all.

I'm against soda. **** is downright destructive to our society and we all end up paying the price, even if we don't consume it.
 
I'm against soda. **** is downright destructive to our society and we all end up paying the price, even if we don't consume it.

Im against fruit
Nasty ****
 
You're fizzling out here, Brow. Might just want to give up on this one.

Post #273 talked about the attempt to "gayify" our lives, how every successful show must have a "gay presence". That there are only 15 shows with any gay presence on network TV in prime time (less than 15 total hours, compared to some 83 hours of prime time), most of which have just one gay character, often whose gayness is not regularly discussed, seems to demonstrate that the reaction is far out of proportion to the actual presence.
 
The second point raises another interesting side-topic. Would you want a church that changes with the ebbs and flows of societal meanderings, or do you want one that preaches an unchanging gospel and holds to those principles no matter what?

The first being the LDS, and the second being the Catholic Church? I mean, the LDS statement colton linked to says the positions will continue to evolve.
 
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