Gay marriage in Utah put on hold

[Beantown]

Well, might as well drink the Kool-Aide now and get it over with. Humans are about to become biologically irrelevant.

No just homosexual intercourse is irrelevant, not the person.

 

[Stoked]

Just keeping it real.

Often a term people use to justify acting like a jackass.


But you're right. It'll become law. OK just got their gay marriage ban over turned as well.

 

[One Brow]

No just homosexual intercourse is irrelevant, not the person.

I feel sorry for anyone who thinks the only biological relevance to sex is reproduction.

 

[LogGrad98]

I feel sorry for anyone who thinks the only biological relevance to sex is reproduction.

Strictly speaking, that is the only biological relevance for it. If you are talking about emotional connections in some fashion, there is more to that than pure biology.

Stud.

 

[One Brow]

Strictly speaking, that is the only biological relevance for it. If you are talking about emotional connections in some fashion, there is more to that than pure biology.

Stud.

Chemistry is more than pure physics, yet everything in chemistry is physics.

 

[LogGrad98]

So everything is everything and there is no meaning. Gotcha.

 

[One Brow]

So everything is everything and there is no meaning. Gotcha.

Sex causes physiological effects in those that participate, even when there is no reproduction. Some of those physiological effects change our emotions, just like a drug can change our emotions.

 

[franklin]

I feel sorry for anyone who thinks the only biological relevance to sex is reproduction.

Sex causes physiological effects in those that participate, even when there is no reproduction. Some of those physiological effects change our emotions, just like a drug can change our emotions.

Yes, you meant physiological, not biological. However, the physiological effects are no doubt directly linked to biological "fitness".

Reproduction is a silly angle to take for so many unrelated reasons though. It's a side distraction.

 

[One Brow]

However, the physiological effects are no doubt directly linked to biological "fitness".

Biology, certainly. Not necssarily biological fitness, but quite possibly.

Reproduction is a silly angle to take for so many unrelated reasons though. It's a side distraction.

Agreed.

 

[franklin]

Biology, certainly. Not necssarily biological fitness, but quite possibly.



Agreed.

Well, I'd say "quite possibly" too but by that I'd really mean there's so much evolutionary theory involved to make a rock solid, beyond a shadow of a doubt case that doubting it would be pure pigheaded stupidity IMO (i.e. physiological effects leading to higher attraction, lifespan, better choices, and on and on).


But then you have the beehive fitness, etc. reasoning that can also confirm the physiological effects for the same, which negates the whole direct reproduction angle and any real meaning to the fitness inferred above. So yeah, useless [because we can't possibly prove either to be true or false].


And if you want to take that thought experiment into the weird then we could debate the chicken and the egg of gayville with what came first: the physiological benefits or the gay hive survival mass banging (as they tend to do) creating fitness that perpetuated these physiological benefits? I don't care to, but Alec dammit if I didn't just invent a pretty damn good troll job. "You're ancestors were all gay which is why you enjoy sex so much".

 

[TroutBum]

Well, I'd say "quite possibly" too but by that I'd really mean there's so much evolutionary theory involved to make a rock solid, beyond a shadow of a doubt case that doubting it would be pure pigheaded stupidity IMO (i.e. physiological effects leading to higher attraction, lifespan, better choices, and on and on).


But then you have the beehive fitness, etc. reasoning that can also confirm the physiological effects for the same, which negates the whole direct reproduction angle and any real meaning to the fitness inferred above. So yeah, useless [because we can't possibly prove either to be true or false].


And if you want to take that thought experiment into the weird then we could debate the chicken and the egg of gayville with what came first: the physiological benefits or the gay hive survival mass banging (as they tend to do) creating fitness that perpetuated these physiological benefits? I don't care to, but Alec dammit if I didn't just invent a pretty damn good troll job. "You're ancestors were all gay which is why you enjoy sex so much".

Some people get slack-eyed, silly, and dumb as snot when they're drunk. You actually seem to get smarter. Stick that up your physiological biochemistry set.

 

[DutchJazzer]

Here is Why gay MAriages Damages SOCIETY.

it devalues (the creation of) live.
imho mariage is a more like a blessing from the communicty, courts, religion,God(whicever you believe in) to "create live". it takes a man and woman to create live.
we are no living in Generation I(Igen).
gay mariage is SELFISH act, while straight mariage is a selfless act. if we Devalue the creation of live as a society. which in turns we devalue live.

from a religious standpoint:
I know most of you here are mormon(maybe majority), some atheist. even some homosexuals amongst us.
now christianity is based on judiasm. mormon faith is also an evolution/revolution from the chrsitian/judiasm faith.
now i dont know the specific commandments in Christianity or Mormon faith. but in Judaism when you enter matrimony it becomes a commandment to create live. so it is a fair assumption that in these 3 religions matrimony primary reason is to create kids.


now over the years government has taken hold of marriage. creating laws like who inherits what (kids). and over the years more and more and more laws(and or beneifts) have been created.
so the problem is the government changing the term marriage. for now there is no real definition of marriage/matrimony.
maybe we as a society should start reflecting on what marriage is and means. what creation of live is, and the responsibility and commitment that comes with this so called creation of live.
after we finally have a universally accepted definition of mariage. then we can decide if its okay for gays to marry(amusing this definition is not about the creation of live).


now you might say wait a minute hold up. not ever woman or man infertile, so they should not get to be married. before a man and a woman get married fertility must be tested. i hahve this to say
100% of gay marriages cannot create live. don't have fertility stats to know what percentage are fertile.

but still fact remains those homosexuals CAN NOT CREATE live so MARIAGE is not for them.
i have siad this to a lot of gay men and women. some have listened to my reason. others got mad and emotional and call me a homofoob. others understand my reasoning but still dont see mariage as a "bond" to partake in the creation of live.

letting gays get marriage contract. is like giving all blind people drivers license and a car and send them on the road.

IT IS DANGEROUS.
it is a slippery slope. we continue to devalue the needs of the many in favor of the needs of the few.

of course i know marriage now has al laws and benefits the partners. so give those rights to gays and call it civil unions.


SO yeah unless gays can create live
and i mean puttin 2 men or 2 women on an island and they by some miracle create life in a natural. they can get married.


also a note for the gay jazzfanz community sorry for my opinion dont mean to hate on you guys. and i dont care what you do in your bedroom/private live. but stay away from mariage


there said my peace that has been frustrating me since forever, every single gay marriage debate

 

[DutchJazzer]

Letting gays get married makes a mockery out of the greatest institution.

 

[Gameface]

Here is Why gay MAriages Damages SOCIETY.

it devalues (the creation of) live.
imho mariage is a more like a blessing from the communicty, courts, religion,God(whicever you believe in) to "create live". it takes a man and woman to create live.
we are no living in Generation I(Igen).
gay mariage is SELFISH act, while straight mariage is a selfless act. if we Devalue the creation of live as a society. which in turns we devalue live.

from a religious standpoint:
I know most of you here are mormon(maybe majority), some atheist. even some homosexuals amongst us.
now christianity is based on judiasm. mormon faith is also an evolution/revolution from the chrsitian/judiasm faith.
now i dont know the specific commandments in Christianity or Mormon faith. but in Judaism when you enter matrimony it becomes a commandment to create live. so it is a fair assumption that in these 3 religions matrimony primary reason is to create kids.


now over the years government has taken hold of marriage. creating laws like who inherits what (kids). and over the years more and more and more laws(and or beneifts) have been created.
so the problem is the government changing the term marriage. for now there is no real definition of marriage/matrimony.
maybe we as a society should start reflecting on what marriage is and means. what creation of live is, and the responsibility and commitment that comes with this so called creation of live.
after we finally have a universally accepted definition of mariage. then we can decide if its okay for gays to marry(amusing this definition is not about the creation of live).


now you might say wait a minute hold up. not ever woman or man infertile, so they should not get to be married. before a man and a woman get married fertility must be tested. i hahve this to say
100% of gay marriages cannot create live. don't have fertility stats to know what percentage are fertile.

but still fact remains those homosexuals CAN NOT CREATE live so MARIAGE is not for them.
i have siad this to a lot of gay men and women. some have listened to my reason. others got mad and emotional and call me a homofoob. others understand my reasoning but still dont see mariage as a "bond" to partake in the creation of live.

letting gays get marriage contract. is like giving all blind people drivers license and a car and send them on the road.

IT IS DANGEROUS.
it is a slippery slope. we continue to devalue the needs of the many in favor of the needs of the few.

of course i know marriage now has al laws and benefits the partners. so give those rights to gays and call it civil unions.


SO yeah unless gays can create live
and i mean puttin 2 men or 2 women on an island and they by some miracle create life in a natural. they can get married.


also a note for the gay jazzfanz community sorry for my opinion dont mean to hate on you guys. and i dont care what you do in your bedroom/private live. but stay away from mariage


there said my peace that has been frustrating me since forever, every single gay marriage debate

So we are not free, we are only permitted to do what benefits society, otherwise prohibition of our will is perfectly justified. Got it.

I completely disagree.

Gay marriage does not devalue life. It makes no commentary on life or the creation thereof. No one is obligated to create life, not even fertile married heterosexuals. Those who weren't going to create life in the first place don't need to be restricted in any way for refusing to benefit society by creating life.

Not to mention, more than enough life is being created. It could be argued that society would benefit from slightly less life being created at the moment.

 

[Gameface]

Letting gays get married makes a mockery out of the greatest institution.

Ban mockery! Ban it all to hell.

 

[One Brow]

it devalues (the creation of) live.

Please explain this. How is the "creation" (really a passing on of) life devalued?

gay mariage is SELFISH act, while straight mariage is a selfless act.

Evidence? Among other things, many gay couples adopt, and in particular, adopt children that straight couples don't want.

i have siad this to a lot of gay men and women. some have listened to my reason. others got mad and emotional and call me a homofoob.

With reason. Your reasons are homophobic reasons, all passion and anger.

others understand my reasoning but still dont see mariage as a "bond" to partake in the creation of live.

Marriage has meant many things over the years. In Genesis, God says teh reason for marriage is to transfer ownership of the woman.

 

[Harambe]

Here is Why gay MAriages Damages SOCIETY.

it devalues (the creation of) live.
imho mariage is a more like a blessing from the communicty, courts, religion,God(whicever you believe in) to "create live". it takes a man and woman to create live.
we are no living in Generation I(Igen).
gay mariage is SELFISH act, while straight mariage is a selfless act. if we Devalue the creation of live as a society. which in turns we devalue live.

from a religious standpoint:
I know most of you here are mormon(maybe majority), some atheist. even some homosexuals amongst us.
now christianity is based on judiasm. mormon faith is also an evolution/revolution from the chrsitian/judiasm faith.
now i dont know the specific commandments in Christianity or Mormon faith. but in Judaism when you enter matrimony it becomes a commandment to create live. so it is a fair assumption that in these 3 religions matrimony primary reason is to create kids.


now over the years government has taken hold of marriage. creating laws like who inherits what (kids). and over the years more and more and more laws(and or beneifts) have been created.
so the problem is the government changing the term marriage. for now there is no real definition of marriage/matrimony.
maybe we as a society should start reflecting on what marriage is and means. what creation of live is, and the responsibility and commitment that comes with this so called creation of live.
after we finally have a universally accepted definition of mariage. then we can decide if its okay for gays to marry(amusing this definition is not about the creation of live).


now you might say wait a minute hold up. not ever woman or man infertile, so they should not get to be married. before a man and a woman get married fertility must be tested. i hahve this to say
100% of gay marriages cannot create live. don't have fertility stats to know what percentage are fertile.

but still fact remains those homosexuals CAN NOT CREATE live so MARIAGE is not for them.
i have siad this to a lot of gay men and women. some have listened to my reason. others got mad and emotional and call me a homofoob. others understand my reasoning but still dont see mariage as a "bond" to partake in the creation of live.

letting gays get marriage contract. is like giving all blind people drivers license and a car and send them on the road.

IT IS DANGEROUS.
it is a slippery slope. we continue to devalue the needs of the many in favor of the needs of the few.

of course i know marriage now has al laws and benefits the partners. so give those rights to gays and call it civil unions.


SO yeah unless gays can create live
and i mean puttin 2 men or 2 women on an island and they by some miracle create life in a natural. they can get married.


also a note for the gay jazzfanz community sorry for my opinion dont mean to hate on you guys. and i dont care what you do in your bedroom/private live. but stay away from mariage


there said my peace that has been frustrating me since forever, every single gay marriage debate

 

[sirkickyass]

You guys, it's obvious. Dutchjazzer is a homofoob.

 

[JAZZGASM]

Some books of the bible were written as far back as 625 B.C. or earlier, and they were written based on prior accounts that had been passed down (books were not written contemporaneously with the events described). And you take this as religious doctrine and use it to discriminate against people? My great, great, great grandfather's journal speaks of lamanite even spirits being exercised from his barn by Brigham Young, and a lot of other superstitious nonsense. And that occurred just a few hundred years ago. Back in a time when someone could convince them to see an imaginary book with their "spiritual eyes" to convince them it is real. If people were that superstitious a couple hundred years ago, imagine thousands of years ago.

How anyone can base their lives based on written word from primitive people is beyond me. Even my mother is sure the world will end if gay marriage in Utah becomes legal. More power to any of you that want to follow this ancient peoples language, but to use it to discriminate against others is ridiculous, especially when you are asking your government to do the same.


And as far as devaluing human life, we have over 7 billion people on this Earth (grown from 2.5 billion in 1950 and projected to be 9.3 billion in 2050), having a larger percentage not reproducing is a GOOD thing as far as I am concerned.

 

[DutchJazzer]

Everybody calm the **** down. it is my opnion.
I just stand for something. You all should stand for something, and have your own opinion

so if standing for "keeping marriage about the creation of live" makes me a homofoob. then I'm ****ING PROUD of it.