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Gay marriage in Utah put on hold

DutchJazzer said:
Here is Why gay MAriages Damages SOCIETY.

it devalues (the creation of) live.
imho mariage is a more like a blessing from the communicty, courts, religion,God(whicever you believe in) to "create live". it takes a man and woman to create live.
we are no living in Generation I(Igen).
gay mariage is SELFISH act, while straight mariage is a selfless act. if we Devalue the creation of live as a society. which in turns we devalue live.

from a religious standpoint:
I know most of you here are mormon(maybe majority), some atheist. even some homosexuals amongst us.
now christianity is based on judiasm. mormon faith is also an evolution/revolution from the chrsitian/judiasm faith.
now i dont know the specific commandments in Christianity or Mormon faith. but in Judaism when you enter matrimony it becomes a commandment to create live. so it is a fair assumption that in these 3 religions matrimony primary reason is to create kids.


now over the years government has taken hold of marriage. creating laws like who inherits what (kids). and over the years more and more and more laws(and or beneifts) have been created.
so the problem is the government changing the term marriage. for now there is no real definition of marriage/matrimony.
maybe we as a society should start reflecting on what marriage is and means. what creation of live is, and the responsibility and commitment that comes with this so called creation of live.
after we finally have a universally accepted definition of mariage. then we can decide if its okay for gays to marry(amusing this definition is not about the creation of live).


now you might say wait a minute hold up. not ever woman or man infertile, so they should not get to be married. before a man and a woman get married fertility must be tested. i hahve this to say
100% of gay marriages cannot create live. don't have fertility stats to know what percentage are fertile.

but still fact remains those homosexuals CAN NOT CREATE live so MARIAGE is not for them.
i have siad this to a lot of gay men and women. some have listened to my reason. others got mad and emotional and call me a homofoob. others understand my reasoning but still dont see mariage as a "bond" to partake in the creation of live.

letting gays get marriage contract. is like giving all blind people drivers license and a car and send them on the road.

IT IS DANGEROUS.
it is a slippery slope. we continue to devalue the needs of the many in favor of the needs of the few.

of course i know marriage now has al laws and benefits the partners. so give those rights to gays and call it civil unions.


SO yeah unless gays can create live
and i mean puttin 2 men or 2 women on an island and they by some miracle create life in a natural. they can get married.


also a note for the gay jazzfanz community sorry for my opinion dont mean to hate on you guys. and i dont care what you do in your bedroom/private live. but stay away from mariage ;)


there said my peace that has been frustrating me since forever, every single gay marriage debate
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dnr:homofoobic.
 
Gameface said:
So we are not free, we are only permitted to do what benefits society, otherwise prohibition of our will is perfectly justified. Got it.
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You realize that homosexuals are asking the judiciary to override "our will" in order to force the government to recognize their relationship as a "marriage" so they can file jointly on their taxes, force employers to cover their sexual partner on insurance, etc.

We need to equalize the tax code, rather than destroy a sacrament in order to save money.
 
PearlWatson said:
You realize that homosexuals are asking the judiciary to override "our will" in order to force the government to recognize their relationship as a "marriage" so they can file jointly on their taxes, force employers to cover their sexual partner on insurance, etc.

We need to equalize the tax code, rather than destroy a sacrament in order to save money.
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In 07/2013 Gallup released a poll where 52% of Americans favor gay marriage. Gay marriage has been polling over 50% nation wide since 2012. Politico just came out with a poll that has it at 48% even on gay marriage in Utah.

But please continue telling us about the will of the people.

For sources try Gallup, Politico or pollingreport.com.
 
PearlWatson said:
"Our Will"=State of Utah
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Polls show it a dead heat. Also the judiciary is not solely a tool to uphold the "will of the people". It is also a tool to protect minorities from the "will of the people".

While i do not demonize all those against gay marriage I do think they are on the wrong side of this issue. It passing is only a matter of time. SHould have been done decades ago. Americans may learn slowly but we do learn.
 
Sirkickyass said:
In other words, this is a non-falsifiable idea that can never be disproven. We could go 1,000,000 years without government forcing a religion to recognize a homosexual marriage and your point would still be "that doesn't mean it won't happen someday." You may call that "easily dismissed" but I think any rational person would acknowledge that such a position is unbending to any outside evidence.
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I understand your frustration. It is the same one I have with Warmiacs/Darwiniacs.

There is really no point in putting a timetable on my prediction. It ain't like you can gloat about being right when Algore's Global Warming Doomsday clock runs out and you follow your ape-like ancestors into nothingness. (2 years and 4 days)
 
PearlWatson said:
Legislation shows it has already been decided.
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Because legislation should never, ever change...As society, economics, technology and a dozen other factors change it necesitates updating our legislation. Almost nothing is a once decided, always decided when it comes to legislation.
 
Stoked said:
Because legislation should never, ever change...As society, economics, technology and a dozen other factors change it necesitates updating our legislation. Almost nothing is a once decided, always decided when it comes to legislation.
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The "will of the people" is determined by vote and not some unofficial poll of 100 people.

Utah Constitutional Amendment 3 is an amendment to the Utah state constitution that sought to define marriage as a union exclusively between a man and woman. It passed in the November 2, 2004 election, as did similar amendments in ten other states.
 
PearlWatson said:
You realize that homosexuals are asking the judiciary to override "our will" in order to force the government to recognize their relationship as a "marriage" so they can file jointly on their taxes, force employers to cover their sexual partner on insurance, etc.
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Just like 13 states (or more?) had their will overturned in 1967, forcing governments to recognize relationships as marriages so they could/can file jointly on their taxes, force employers to cover their sexual partner on insurance, etc. Do you believe Loving was incorrectly decided?
 
PearlWatson said:
I understand your frustration. It is the same one I have with Warmiacs/Darwiniacs.
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Well, except that warming is really occurring and has been observed and measured, and evolution is really occurring and has been Observed and measured, while you have no examples at all of churches being forced to recognize homosexual marriages, for one major difference.
 
One Brow said:
Well, except that warming is really occurring and has been observed and measured, and evolution is really occurring and has been Observed and measured, while you have no examples at all of churches being forced to recognize homosexual marriages, for one major difference.
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It is a prediction about the future, Sherlock.
 
PearlWatson said:
The "will of the people" is determined by vote and not some unofficial poll of 100 people.

Utah Constitutional Amendment 3 is an amendment to the Utah state constitution that sought to define marriage as a union exclusively between a man and woman. It passed in the November 2, 2004 election, as did similar amendments in ten other states.
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And as I have already shown the "will of the people" In Utah and nation wide has changed since then.
 
Stoked said:
And as I have already shown the "will of the people" In Utah and nation wide has changed since then.
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It hasn't changed enough if a split poll of 600 people really reflects a statewide shift. The poll would be more compelling on that score if it had been conducted on the same 600 people during both time periods.

Polls are more about influencing then gauging opinion.
 
PearlWatson said:
It hasn't changed enough if a split poll of 600 people really reflects a statewide shift. The poll would be more compelling on that score if it had been conducted on the same 600 people during both time periods.

Polls are more about influencing then gauging opinion.
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Lol, so basically you won't count them as the will of the people. Got it. The trend clearly shows that te "will of the people" is siding against you and will continue to do so on this issue. I expect similar trends in marijuana legalization.
 
I'm an active Mormon but the fact that a gay couple cant marry in a Church building but a guy who just killed his whole family can have his funeral their is retarded.
 
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